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75% of the anti-piracy discussions I see rarely blame companies like Nintendo or Disney and always try to talk about how piracy is immoral, and you should feel "dirty" for doing it. My question is why do people seem to hate those who pirate more than the bad practices of mega-corporations or the fact that they don't want to preserve their media?

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[–] Angel@hexbear.net 5 points 3 weeks ago (22 children)

I feel no guilt for eating the diet of every single one of my ancestors.

Appeal to tradition.

 I do not believe animals to be sentient, and I do not equate death or servitude with suffering

Objectively false belief. Source

Also, saying "I do not equate death or servitude with suffering" is just using an absurd personal opinion to invalidate objective considerations. It'd be like me saying, "I don't associate shouting slurs at racial minorities with racism," to validate such an act. In either case, neither distortion serves as a justification for this wicked behavior.

But it’s like a religion - you have a fundamental belief, not in god, but in the consciousness of animals.

False equivalence. One belief is speculative and far more abstract, but the other belief has legitimate concrete evidence to support it. Once again, read the very comprehensive analysis.

People who pay for media may also see it as an ethical baseline to pay for what you consume.

Again, this is a false equivalence, and it seems that you are abusing the notion of morality being subjective in order to justify an immoral act. You could also easily say something like "People who refrain from assaulting innocent people see it as an ethical baseline, but I don't" as a bad attempt at justifying assaulting innocent people, but it won't hold weight on its own. You have to provide a solid basis for why such an equivalence actually makes sense, but you do not. You just state it like it's plainly obvious and doesn't need further details.


This is so copey that it hardly deserves a full-fledged response. Please know that this comment isn't the "own" you think it is. You're embarrassing yourself.

[–] antlion@lemmy.dbzer0.com 0 points 3 weeks ago (19 children)

Insects, crustaceans, and mollusks do not have any form of consciousness. They are just as aware and alive as fungi and plants. Otherwise we would feel great remorse when examining all the slaughtered insects on the front of our motor vehicles. Fish, are slightly more aware, but I don’t attach much emotional weight to their very tiny brains. Birds and mammals are on a higher level of consciousness than a lot of the animal kingdom. But not all death is painful. Many humans seek a dignified and painless death.

Domesticated animals for the most part have the ability to escape, if they wanted to express their consciousness and free will. The process of domestication is an evolutionary choice. Chickens and other livestock are suffering today because their ancestors gave away their freedom for security.

Actually I think dogs collectively suffer more than most of our livestock. For them, death is out of reach. Their suffering is prolonged. Their mutations and genetic deficiencies are cruel. Many dogs are born with such horrible genes and behaviors they have no hope of a quality life with humans. Very sad.

Anyway, there is no objective truth on this matter. But I know you care so much about suffering, I just want to reassure you, that I feel no sorrow for livestock. Everything we eat and purchase impacts the animals on this planet. To exist is to impose suffering on the Earth. And I’m okay with that. My opinion, is that vegans are drawing a line in sand so feint that it is erased by the slightest breeze.

[–] Are_Euclidding_Me@hexbear.net 5 points 3 weeks ago (5 children)

You are a disgusting human. I'm actually appalled reading the shit you're writing. It's not often that I read such concentrated evil. You don't think death and servitude cause suffering? You think domesticated animals choose to stay in factory farms? You're a fucking ghoul.

[–] antlion@lemmy.dbzer0.com 0 points 3 weeks ago (2 children)

I am sorry your world view is causing you anguish.

[–] Are_Euclidding_Me@hexbear.net 5 points 3 weeks ago (1 children)

Don't pretend to have empathy for me, shithead

[–] antlion@lemmy.dbzer0.com 1 points 3 weeks ago (1 children)

I’m quite sincere. I used to drive my car in a hurry for years. It’s no way to live. I caused myself a lot of unnecessary stress. At the time of course I blamed my stress on all the slow, distracted shitheads. But they’re infinite, and out of my control. But one thing is in my control: how I react. I made a decision one day that I would never drive in a hurry. That it would take how long it takes. It’s been a lot better since then.

Just like the shitheads on the road, you will find no short supply of people who don’t share your world view. If they upset you, it’s a rough road ahead. I hope you find peace. ☮︎

[–] Rekorse@sh.itjust.works 1 points 3 weeks ago
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