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[–] silliewous@feddit.nl 81 points 7 months ago (28 children)

Situation A you vote for 3rd party

  • candidate T gets t votes
  • candidate B gets b-1 votes
  • candidate 3 gets 1 vote

candidate 3 loses for sure winner is biggest of ‘t’ and ‘b-1’. Which we can rewrite as biggest of ‘t+1’ and ‘b’

Where is my money?!

[–] cyclohexane@lemmy.ml 18 points 7 months ago (5 children)

Why b-1 instead of just b votes? "because the vote could've otherwise went to B" well it could've also went to T, but I don't see you accounting for it as t-1.

This math has a double standard.

[–] WolfLink@lemmy.ml 1 points 6 months ago (1 children)

The assumption is OP isn’t a Trump supporter.

[–] cyclohexane@lemmy.ml 0 points 6 months ago (1 children)

they are also clearly not a Biden supporter. They do not support either candidate, so the two options should be treated equally.

[–] WolfLink@lemmy.ml 1 points 6 months ago* (last edited 6 months ago) (2 children)

This is that “enlightened centrism” false equivalence.

I honestly can’t believe that in good faith you can compare Biden and Trump as equals.

One is a president whos platform is making minimal change.

The other is a president whos platform is to tear down democracy and human rights.

If you honestly can look at these two and say they are equal than I have to conclude you are at least indifferent to maintaining democracy and human rights.

I know the “counter argument” is about Biden and Israel/Gaza, but the thing is, that’s not really up for debate because I don’t believe there’s any chance Trump would be better about Gaza.

There are 2 options:

  • death in Gaza and status quo in the US
  • death in Gaza and loss of human rights and possibly our democracy in the US
[–] cyclohexane@lemmy.ml 0 points 6 months ago

maintaining democracy

What definition of democracy are we using here? Just so we're on the same page.

I do not think trump was making a meaningful change on that level, in any case. The US never had a true people's rule it that's what you mean, for trump to take it away.

Gaza is not the only issue.

[–] cyclohexane@lemmy.ml 0 points 6 months ago

maintaining democracy

What definition of democracy are we using here? Just so we're on the same page.

I do not think trump was making a meaningful change on that level, in any case. The US never had a true people's rule it that's what you mean, for trump to take it away.

Gaza is not the only issue.

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