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[–] Drusas@fedia.io 26 points 2 months ago (39 children)

Can someone explain like I'm five how Waymo has robitaxis without drivers behind the wheel and automated driving such as that offered by Tesla is not yet able to do the same?

Is it just that Waymo has mapped a small area really, really well? What's the difference? Why is Tesla so bad at it but Waymo is able to do it?

[–] Wanderer@lemm.ee 1 points 2 months ago* (last edited 2 months ago) (13 children)

Humans can drive with just vision.

Tesla is doing it the hard way. Their model involves cars just having vision and driving the same as humans do. Humans can do it, why can't computers? Seeing as they have more cameras than 2. In theory they should be better than human drivers. Once it is solved they could instantly drive anywhere humans can.

Waymo has taken an easier route and they have used a lot of detailed mapping with also an assortment of additional sensors. Waymo doing it the easy way has only recently achieved this. Turns out it's really hard. Harder than everyone including the experts expected probably.

But with advances in computing and things like LLM's Tesla is catching up. Who knows how long that will take though? I always thought waymo was doing the right thing so I'm biased.

Edit: this fucking website I swear. I answered the question and got downvoted for it. What more you people want from me?

[–] IllNess@infosec.pub 9 points 2 months ago (1 children)

Human vision also have the brain that does a lot of automation like figuring out distance and looking out for danger with real time reaction speed. Night vision is usually better for most people too. The brain also combines that with sound so it can detect things out of vision. Eyes already have a range of view but the human head can also move around accurately. On top of all this focus is what the human brain is best at. While cameras can see 360°, years of data built in the subconscious taught a human driver what to look out for.

[–] ContrarianTrail@lemm.ee 3 points 2 months ago (1 children)

Human vision also have the brain that does a lot of automation like figuring out distance and looking out for danger with real time reaction speed.

To be fair, the reaction time of a self driving vehicle is orders of magnitude greater than that of even the best human driver.

This is what leads to many moral questions about autonomous vehicles; where as human may not have time to react when an accident is about to happen, a self-driving car does. Laws of physics may prevent it from stopping in time, but it may have the ability to choose who to hit; the kid of the grandmom.

[–] IllNess@infosec.pub 2 points 2 months ago (1 children)

The reports of the safety of AVs is overstated when you consider that they are limited within a city limit, they rarely go on the highway, they follow speed limits in cities which is lower than highways, people are more aware of AVs, and during their trial runs they had an actual human in the car to correct them.

On average, AVs are safer especially when you consider some bad drivers do not get better, people drink, people get sleepy, people distract themselves. and young drivers lack experience. But the average driver with it with their full faculties would do better in tests based solely on reactions.

if you look at the accident reports and took out drivers who were on a substance, are younger than 25 or older than 70, was distracted with something like their phones or others in the car, were not following laws, and those who were emotional then the stats would be pretty close.

Overall I do believe AVs are better for world because peak performance of an average driver is rare.

[–] ContrarianTrail@lemm.ee 1 points 2 months ago (1 children)

But the average driver with it with their full faculties would do better in tests based solely on reactions.

React faster than a computer would? I cannot imagine how that would be the case.

[–] IllNess@infosec.pub 1 points 2 months ago (1 children)

If it was a simple flag, you would be correct a computer will react faster than any human but when you factor in everything else like constantly analysis of surroundings, decision making, and accounting for physical limitations, then yes. It's the reason why Waymo cars move so slowly.

If a person was standing at a sidewalk, hidden behind an object, far away from a pedestrian way or traffic signal and jumps 2 feet in front of a car going 25 mph, the average driver with their full faculties would do better than Waymo.

[–] ContrarianTrail@lemm.ee 1 points 2 months ago

Well yeah right now that may still be the case but I was mostly thinking about the "true" self driving cars of the future. It seems obvious to be that they would vastly outperform human drivers on literally everything. Just like a true AGI would.

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