Additionally, if Trump has the ability to take away your right to vote if he takes office, he has the ability to take it away even if he doesn't, you can't politely vote fascism away.

[–] Lightor@lemmy.world -2 points 2 months ago (3 children)

Ok, so no one should vote. Laws don't matter. Nothing is real.

Wait, so you're saying he has the same power to effect laws as president as he does as citizen? That's just very wrong... You know plenty of dictators were voted in at some point right? A history lesson might serve you well.

[–] Cowbee@lemmy.ml 4 points 2 months ago (2 children)

Ok, so no one should vote. Laws don't matter. Nothing is real.

Again, interesting mental gymnastics.

Wait, so you're saying he has the same power to effect laws as president as he does as citizen? That's just very wrong... You know plenty of dictators were voted in at some point right? A history lesson might serve you well.

Yes, that is exactly what I am saying. The ability for an American President to permanently or even temporarily take away the right to vote is so immense it would take a full on coup, at which point the original outcome of the election doesn't matter. Many dictators were not voted in, you need to open a history book and see what causes fascism.

Here's an exercise: why do you think fascism is rising in America? Is it ideas, or material conditions?

[–] Lightor@lemmy.world -2 points 2 months ago (1 children)

If America isn't a democracy why would you vote? Please tell me how that's mental gymnastics. What's mental gymnastics is declaring democracy doesn't exist because you don't like the candidates.

Yes, that is exactly what I am saying.

Got it, you think democracy doesn't exist but every citizen has the same power as the president. Lol, from a guy who uses the term mental gymnastics all the time, now I know how you became so familiar with the term.

Here's an exercise: why do you think fascism is rising in America? Is it ideas, or material conditions?

Because late stage capitalism is strangling the working class. So pro fascist leaders are using that to come into power. Just like every other before then, you blame all the problems on anyone standing in the way of your power and you tell people that you're the only one who can fix it. Which is exactly, literally, what Trump has done over and over.

Now how about this exercise. Tell me what democracy is, by definition, and how the US does not fit that definition.

[–] Cowbee@lemmy.ml 3 points 2 months ago

If America isn't a democracy why would you vote? Please tell me how that's mental gymnastics. What's mental gymnastics is declaring democracy doesn't exist because you don't like the candidates.

The American Empire is formatted in such a way that candidates are only on the ballot if they serve Empire. It doesn't matter what I do, there will be no Leftist candidates electorally.

Got it, you think democracy doesn't exist but every citizen has the same power as the president. Lol, from a guy who uses the term mental gymnastics all the time, now I know how you became so familiar with the term.

How is Trump going to take away the right to vote? He would only be able to do so with a coup. I can't coup the US Empire.

Because late stage capitalism is strangling the working class. So pro fascist leaders are using that to come into power. Just like every other before then, you blame all the problems on anyone standing in the way of your power and you tell people that you're the only one who can fix it. Which is exactly, literally, what Trump has done over and over.

Oh, better answer! Not quite accurate, but the right direction! So, tell me this: what is Kamala going to do to stop Late Stage Capitalism? Is she a secret Communist?

Now how about this exercise. Tell me what democracy is, by definition, and how the US does not fit that definition.

The rule of the majority over the minority. The US Empire does not fit this because the parties and candidates derive their power from the Imperialist class, ie the monopoly Capitalists, via controlling the media, lobbying, and fully controlling the parties themselves.