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[–] Telorand@reddthat.com 191 points 3 months ago (6 children)

I have some personal qualms about supporting "the biggest fish" in the pond, since that tends to lead to the Apples, the Googles, and the Microsofts.

However, Steam hasn't particularly abused its market power, and has even used it to create a very successful Linux handheld that has both helped propel Linux desktop adoption and added upstream improvements to Linux in general.

I'll revise my opinion when Valve changes to a more overtly predatory model of capitalism, but for now, I'll enjoy only needing to keep a partial eye open.

[–] magic_lobster_party@fedia.io 123 points 3 months ago (6 children)

I'll revise my opinion when Valve changes to a more overtly predatory model of capitalism

I believe as long they’re not publicly traded )and Gabe is in charge), that’s not a concern.

Being public (or owned by a publicly traded company) tend to bring out these nasty traits. It’s more about finding ways to bring value to shareholders than the customers.

[–] Shiggles@sh.itjust.works 89 points 3 months ago

Private companies can be dicks. Public companies can and will be sued by their shareholders if they aren’t big enough dicks.

[–] cobysev@lemmy.world 46 points 3 months ago (2 children)

I'm terrified of Gabe retiring or passing away. He's been amazing for the company and I don't trust anyone else to not want to use Valve for their own greedy purposes. The next president of Valve will likely ruin all the good things about it, thanks to late-stage capitalism.

I firmly believe in voting with your wallet; I normally don't invest much long-term interest into businesses because you never know how they'll change over time, but I've been so happy with Valve that I've gladly given them thousands of dollars over the decades for Steam games. My library is sitting at just over 3,500 games right now. I don't know what I'm gonna do when Valve crumbles one day. I really hope they give me an option to download and play offline all the games I've bought, because that's a massive library to lose.

I've never given a penny to Epic Games, and unless they get on-par with Steam's functionality, I won't ever buy or play any of their games. The one thing that might make Epic Games competitive (and could convince me to use their platform) is letting Steam users copy their libraries over, so we're not just starting over from scratch with a new service.

That's what got me on Steam in the first place. Back around 2010 or so, I discovered that if you had a physical PC game that was also in Steam's store, you could type in the serial number on the game box and it would register and add it to your Steam library. That's how I got my collection of early Call of Duty titles on Steam, as well as Half-Life and some others. I moved my physical game library over to Steam and I've been a Steam loyalist ever since.

[–] snooggums@midwest.social 13 points 3 months ago

Back around 2010 or so, I discovered that if you had a physical PC game that was also in Steam’s store, you could type in the serial number on the game box and it would register and add it to your Steam library.

There were a few older games I owned that had trouble with running well on newer hardware because of the messy manual updates. Did the seriel bumber i to steam and it installed and updated to a smooth running version on steam at no cost.

Yes, this tied the hard copy to the steam account so there was a loss of reselling unless they changed that at some point. But I never bothered with selling used games and these were old enough that nobody wanted them anyway so I got some free use out of something I was almost ready to throw out.

[–] Zonetrooper@lemmy.world 7 points 3 months ago

Back around 2010 or so, I discovered that if you had a physical PC game that was also in Steam’s store, you could type in the serial number on the game box and it would register and add it to your Steam library.

WAIT WHAT.

Does this happen even if the game wasn't on Steam at time of purchase so long as it has a Steam version now? Because that would be amazing.

[–] seaQueue@lemmy.world 19 points 3 months ago

I really hope GabeN has a continuity plan that involves a nonprofit governance board when he's no longer in the picture. I don't even want to imagine valve as a publicly traded company (or owned by a private equity company for that matter.)

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[–] yamanii@lemmy.world 23 points 3 months ago

The joys of not having a duty to shareholders.

[–] fluxion@lemmy.world 21 points 3 months ago

They're also directly funding linux devs to work on related projects, which the most mutually-beneficial way to build products around linux

[–] big_slap@lemmy.world 17 points 3 months ago

I'll revise my opinion when Valve changes to a more overtly predatory model of capitalism, but for now, I'll enjoy only needing to keep a partial eye open.

this is the correct approach towards how a society should support big buisnesses. the companies that don't fuck us over will continue to get my public support and money

[–] Duamerthrax@lemmy.world 17 points 3 months ago (1 children)

GoG exists and I always check there before going to Steam. I just won't deal Epic.

[–] Telorand@reddthat.com 12 points 3 months ago (9 children)

GOG is great, but they need to make a Linux launcher, already. Or if they can't, they should make it so the community can.

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[–] Asafum@feddit.nl 76 points 3 months ago (15 children)

The one thing I like about them is they recognized why people really wanted to stick with steam: they have a large established library and don't want to bounce back and forth.

They took that and said "ok we'll give you free games every week until you have a large library here and won't want to leave!"

Jokes on them, I now have a large library of completely free games on epic and still use steam for the games I want to buy because I refuse to support their exclusivity bullshit.

[–] Zorque@lemmy.world 27 points 3 months ago

I mean, Steam is also very functional and has a ton of support features. Especially for modding. It's not just stockholm syndrome.

[–] JoeKrogan@lemmy.world 17 points 3 months ago* (last edited 3 months ago) (1 children)

I get the games on epic but I haven't even bothered playing them because I game exclusively on linux and just have not bothered with lutris / heroic etc. Proton with steam is just effortless and after years of tinkering with wine back in the day I want the simplicity

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[–] AeroLemming@lemm.ee 8 points 3 months ago (3 children)

I resolved to never give Epic a dime when I got a popup forcing me to agree to a binding arbitration agreement in order to launch games I already have installed and in my library. It tells me that they think people will have good reasons to sue them in the future.

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[–] Frozyre@kbin.melroy.org 56 points 3 months ago (5 children)

Let's see...

The launcher itself ran poorly compared to Steam's. I've had instances of it freezing performance down just downloading 1 game through Epic's launcher.

You've locked down games behind multi-year exclusives, pissing off many people along the way that we're now just seeing their Steam releases.

You've spent years giving free games away, promising not to do anymore, going back to doing it again.

The launcher and storefront are incredibly barebones compared to Steam's. In fact, any launcher not Steam, has incredibly minimal to go with other than just running games through them.

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[–] NeryK@sh.itjust.works 43 points 3 months ago (1 children)

The Epic Games Launcher is so far behind on features compared to Steam it's not even funny. Epic chose not to try and compete with Steam on that front and to try and force users onto the platform with exclusivity deals and sweeten the deal with free games.

The one user-centric killer feature Epic has in their stack IMHO is the built-in multiplayer crossplay. Except it's not even exclusive to their store ironically (you do need an Epic account for it though).

[–] Giooschi@lemmy.world 17 points 3 months ago (10 children)

Epic chose not to try and compete with Steam on that front

Forget competing, they lack even the basics.

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[–] Mwa@thelemmy.club 38 points 3 months ago (7 children)

Steam is the only game store that is on linux

[–] leopold@lemmy.kde.social 10 points 3 months ago* (last edited 3 months ago) (1 children)

itch.io also has a Linux app

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[–] greenskye@lemm.ee 36 points 3 months ago* (last edited 3 months ago) (5 children)

Things I need a storefront/launcher to provide me:

  • Reviews
  • Wish list
  • Beta/Alternate build installations
  • Friend list, chat, game invite functions
  • Mod browser
  • Refund policy
  • Excellent search and discovery tools

Nice to have:

  • Forum for guides/support
  • Game sharing
  • Ability to move game files
[–] druidjaidan@lemmy.world 13 points 3 months ago

As a family...I need the family sharing provided by steam. Especially the recent beta version. It's fantastic.

[–] CeeBee_Eh@lemmy.world 8 points 3 months ago
  • Linux support
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[–] 58008@lemmy.world 36 points 3 months ago

Lose the 'infinite growth' promise to shareholders (in fact, lose the whole shareholder thing entirely). That's the root of all evil right there. It's the cause of all woes suffered by gamers, devs and even the very sociopathic CEOs who think Epic exclusivity is a sound financial strategy. We all suffer for it, and all to benefit shareholders who, in 2024, still believe the lie that next year's profits will exceed this year's. It's delusional, and even if it weren't, it would quite literally be cancerous. Cancer is just a board of shareholders in a biological system.

[–] Davel23@fedia.io 30 points 3 months ago (1 children)

Didn't take long for Randy's tone to change after the Epic bribe money dried up.

[–] Jaeger86@lemmy.world 9 points 3 months ago (2 children)

I feel like he's know for this shit like aliens colonial Marines

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[–] sylver_dragon@lemmy.world 25 points 3 months ago (2 children)

One thing that we have learned is that piracy is not a pricing issue. It’s a service issue. The easiest way to stop piracy is not by putting antipiracy technology to work. It’s by giving those people a service that’s better than what they’re receiving from the pirates. -- Gabe Newell, 2011

Time and again, digital distribution platforms have proved this. Apple Music became a dominant music distribution platform at the height of Napster, LimeWire and other peer to peer sharing apps. They did it, because it was easier to just buy the tracks/albums you wanted than to dig through trackers and websites which may or may not actually have what you want. Netflix became the de-facto source for streaming movies at a time when BitTorrent was common and well known. Again, they made it easy and convenient, while not charging an arm and a leg. Steam also faced competition from BitTorrent piracy. But again, Steam made buying, downloading and running games easier than the pirates. And people are willing to pay for that convenience and not dealing with the crap which floats around the high seas.

And, so long as Steam continues to treat it's customers right, those customers will keep coming back. And that's the problem with Pitchford's whole premise. Developers will go where the customers are. Sure, you'll get the odd case of a publisher/developer doing an exclusivity deal. But even then, it's probably limited, because the customers are on Steam. If another storefront wants to draw customers, they need to start with treating customers well. They will still face headwinds, as Steam has a large "first mover" advantage. But, success is going to start with making customers want to come back.

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[–] Caligvla@lemmy.dbzer0.com 22 points 3 months ago* (last edited 3 months ago)

No shit. Everyone was saying this from day one, but Sweeney was too stupid to realize it.

[–] CaptainBasculin@lemmy.ml 15 points 3 months ago (1 children)

After the Borderlands 3 incident, not surprising.

[–] aisteru@lemmy.aisteru.ch 9 points 3 months ago (1 children)
[–] NeryK@sh.itjust.works 26 points 3 months ago* (last edited 3 months ago) (2 children)

Probably referring to the 6-month timed exclusivity on PC for EGS that Borderlands 3 went through.

[–] rtxn@lemmy.world 22 points 3 months ago* (last edited 3 months ago)

And the fact that Epic couldn't cobble together a content delivery platform that supported preloading before BL3's release.

And the fact that they used Steam essentially as an advertising platform until the TOS was changed.

[–] nondescripthandle@lemmy.dbzer0.com 14 points 3 months ago (2 children)

As someone who sunk hundreds of hours into each of 1 and 2, the staggered launch felt like it did so much damage to player base as well as player interest. Felt like when I was interested in it none of the old hardcore raiders I used to play with were and vice versa. And thats after I was the one to crawl to epic because I was afraid of missing out that sweet endgame co op high I got from 1 and 2.

[–] jack@sh.itjust.works 11 points 3 months ago (1 children)

I loved BL1 and 2 so much, my pets are named after characters from the games. The staggered launch of BL3 caused me to forget about it for years after release.

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[–] Chronographs@lemmy.zip 7 points 3 months ago

I played a ton of 2 and presequel but only just bought 3 at like a 90% discount and even then I’m not exactly interested in playing it.

[–] cley_faye@lemmy.world 13 points 3 months ago

Any decent person who would have been "overly optimistic" at the time would have supported epic, and just that. There was no need to go out of his way to trashtalk others like a whiny bitch, especially when at the time said "others" where the place they had a chance to make money before.

[–] MentalEdge@sopuli.xyz 13 points 3 months ago (6 children)

There's only one thing I want from gearbox anymore. For them to re-enable the online servers for Battleborn so I can finish the damn story mode for a game I bought.

ReBorn doesn't work on Linux yet, (or at least it crashes for me).

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[–] gnuplusmatt@reddthat.com 11 points 3 months ago (1 children)

I log into EGS via heroic a few times a year to claim a free game. Yet to ever play any said free games 🤷

[–] Lautaro@lemmy.world 7 points 3 months ago

Remember to claim The Callisto Protocol!

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