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cross-posted from: https://lemm.ee/post/46352654

I love the game civ6, that's why the problems with it make me troubled and I want to suggest improvements. I've played through multiple playthroughs and here are some issues that stand out to me.

TLDR: Civ6's gameplay forces you to play in a very imperialist, chauvinistic, racist, and religious way to win.

Problsms

'Barbarians' (indigenous or native people, obviously stereotyped as always warlike), the tech tree that forces you to discover things in the way the Europeans discovered them, not just making you unlock actually necessary technologies before you unlock new ones, even more so with the civic tree as any policy or government can be developed in isolation, it doesn't need the preceding civ6 ones, also you can't have a democracy from the beginning if you want what's best for your people. You have to conquer other continents displacing or killing the natives, and the way it frames certain governments such as communism is disingenuous when they're really describing authoritarianism, and making that misunderstanding more widespread.

My suggested solutions/improvements

Abolish the civic tree. Let you establish any government or any policy ( you can still have policy slots but it's the same across all governments) at any time without culture cost. Governments could affect things like the happiness and productivity of your people, but not more than that. Rename 'barbarians' to natives or indigenous people and create more peaceful options for interacting with them, don't make them aggressive by default. Encourage cooperation with civilisations on other continents (such as lasting trade agreements that you don't have to renew every 30 turns) rather than encouraging settling everywhere on the map. Allow individual cities to get upgrades that allows producing multiple things at once rather than the only way to do so being creating multiple cities. Allow agnosticism or atheism as a 'religion' option and rename religion to 'philosophy' or 'ideology' or something like that. Having real historical cultures and leaders on a generated world doesn't really make sense so there should be fictional or generated civilisations and leaders as options too.

I don't mind if they keep the victory conditions they've got, scientific, religious (although ideological is a better term), military, although not cultural. If people want to play as murderous colonial maniacs they should be allowed to, they just shouldn't be forced into it and should have more peaceful options to play. The scientific victory should be collaborative, with multiple civilisations working together to advance scientific knowledge and improve human conditions (although the current goal of space travel is overly simplistic). Convincing the world of your ideology isn't a bad measure for success either, and conquering the world military is a kind of success, if not a very moral one. Culture victory is just a thinly veiled way of saying that only European culture is good and the way of proving your culture is best is attracting tourists, which is again overly simplistic.

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[–] Console_Modder@sh.itjust.works 5 points 3 weeks ago (1 children)

Isn't it crazy that you have to murder and steal in a game like GTA V??? Wouldn't the game be so much better if Franklin just got a regular 9-5 and you spent the entire game either sitting in traffic or sitting in a cubicle?

/s

[–] JackGreenEarth@lemm.ee 3 points 3 weeks ago

I said that I understand that some people want to act unethically in games as a form of escapism for that you can't do in real life, and that's fine. But there should be ethical options for people who do want to build an ethical civilisation, as that also makes it more realistic in many ways, not all real civilisations have to start off with a feudal system and slowly progress in exactly the way the tech and civic trees work in civ6.

[–] catloaf@lemm.ee 4 points 3 weeks ago
[–] Stovetop@lemmy.world 2 points 2 weeks ago

Agreed. I remember there being some controversy around including figures in the game like Poundmaker, whose major mark in history was advocating against the colonial practices his people were submitted to.

Forcing anti-colonial figures to compete in the colonial model of success just doesn't seem right.