The overturning of Roe vs. Wade was a direct consequence of Trump's election, as it was the three justices he was able to appoint (including Mitch McConnell's fuckery about Merrick Garland) who changed the Supreme Court's makeup to include so many right-wing partisans.
lengau
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Voting third party is telling the system that you don't have a preference between the two candidates who have even the slightest chance of winning. It sucks that there's such constrained communication one can do (and we need a better voting system), but in the short term, the three options I've listed are what you have the options to communicate.
Which of my points have you “debunked?” Lol
I haven't had to, as all you've done so far is repeat already-debunked, faux-leftist points that enable fascists.
You’ve been whitewashing genocide and fascism, without meaningfully backing yourself up.
Ahh, more accusations. Genocide is bad. Fascism is bad. Thus my question: why are you advocating for actions that will lead to more genocide and fascism?
You started directly insulting because you had no points other than claiming that genocide isn’t that bad if the Dems do it.
Lying about what I've said in a written forum isn't effective. Once again, and in larger font:
Genocide is always bad, and more genocide is worse.
So why are you advocating for actions that fall in the "more genocide" camp?
What have I avoided?
Well immediately above I asked:
Why are you encouraging people to do things that will make it more likely for fascists to win and destroy what little leftist organizing there is in America?
You have asserted that the actions you advocate won't do that, but when I explain how they do exactly that, you simply make the assertion again. When that fails, you attempt to equivocate. But when I point out that more genocide is more harmful than less genocide, you simply ignore my statements and make your assertions again.
That's not helpful. It might convince some people, but only in the same way that repeating a lie enough makes some people believe it.
Once again avoiding the question and making personal attacks instead.
Your words imply that you think I believe having Harris as president will fix things. I don't. What I do believe is it will slow the decline, hopefully enough for us to create ways to escape capitalism without having fascists commit more genocides than they already are. This is known as "harm reduction." It's a complex theory by which one takes actions to reduce the harm done with immediate actions when there's no immediate action that one can take to improve things. The ballot box in 2024 is not the time for a revolution, for said revolution would fail miserably, leaving us worse off. The ballot box in 2024 is the time for harm reduction.
In the above comment, we see the following:
- Repetition of the same debunked talking points
- Equivocation of the two major parties (which, as I've already mentioned, only helps the more evil of the two)
- "no u"
It really insults the intelligence of those reading to think that they won't see through this.
What I'm going to have to explain to them is why I voted "don't care" in 2016. That's a mistake I will forever have to live with. But if I can convince a few people not to make that same mistake, I will at least be able to reduce the harm I did.
Words have definitions. Harris, for everything I don't like about her, is a liberal. Not a fascist. Trump, on the other hand, is a fascist.
The choices here are simple: fascism (Trump), not-fascism (Harris), or "I really don't care, do u?"
Why are you encouraging people to do things that will make it more likely for fascists to win and destroy what little leftist organizing there is in America? The only rational conclusion is that you want fascism. But you keep avoiding that question. Is it because you're taking a page out of the alt-right playbook?
You can vote for fascism if that’s what you want, I reject it.
You're literally making the choice to put fascism in power. I'm trying to stop you from making the same mistake I made in 2016.
You're talking in circles and fundamentally missing the point that neither voting third-party nor not voting isn't going to make things better. It's only going to make things worse.
The ballot box is for harm reduction, and equivocating the level of evil of two candidates only ever helps the more evil option.
If you want to make your first actual point, feel free to do so. If you want to keep repeating the very talking points that got us the situation that allowed for this genocide in the first place, don't bother.
That's a lot of text to say "Yes, I want the fascist to win."
Making things worse isn't going to accelerate the revolution. It's going to make things worse and kill the most vulnerable in our society - the ones who would most benefit from a revolution. If you truly want a socialist revolution, you need to have enough people on your side. And having those people be dead is counterproductive.
FPTP is only one problem with the system. But it's still a problem pretty much everywhere that has it. There are many other things that make it particularly worse in the US, but that doesn't make it not a problem with it.