Both Marxism and Community Activism would be some form of Sociology, no? Plus activism is a movement to install some idea, while the idea would be the result of the science.

Unless the chart is saying that being more effective at activism is a science?

[–] OurToothbrush@lemmy.ml 2 points 3 months ago* (last edited 3 months ago) (1 children)

No, that is specifically idealist activism, not materialist activism. Also sociology is a science that follows similar methodology as "hard" sciences

[–] Tlaloc_Temporal@lemmy.ca 1 points 3 months ago (1 children)

But sociology describes ideas, not material properties, thus would fit in the middle column.

Anyway, my point was that neither a system of government/economy nor pushing ideas are ways of describing the world. It's the description aspect that defines the chart here, so I don't think actions fit.

[–] OurToothbrush@lemmy.ml 3 points 3 months ago* (last edited 3 months ago) (1 children)

But sociology describes ideas, not material properties

This is a fundamentally idealist way of viewing sociology, although most sociology you're exposed to is idealist in nature.

Anyway, my point was that neither a system of government/economy nor pushing ideas are ways of describing the world.

??? What does that have to do with Marxism? I think the disconnect here is that you do not understand what Marxism is, you have only had second and third hand exposure to it.

[–] Tlaloc_Temporal@lemmy.ca 1 points 3 months ago (1 children)

Perhaps I don't know what Markism is. Is it a school of thought, or a subcategory of sociology? An Ought or an Is?

[–] OurToothbrush@lemmy.ml 2 points 3 months ago* (last edited 3 months ago) (1 children)

Marxism and MLism as an ideology is fundamentally about studying the relationships between things through: looking at past history and current conditions, hypothesizing, and testing that hypothesis.

[–] Tlaloc_Temporal@lemmy.ca 1 points 3 months ago (1 children)

Interesting. It seems like Marxism isn't a science so much as a philosophy about sciences. You're correct that it extends far fuether than I had assumed.

I do maintain that the chart is using incorrect language in describing it's categories though. Many of them are describing something that could be part of study or the result of study, but not a science themselves. Toy destruction isn't a science, but the destruction of toys could be part of one.

[–] OurToothbrush@lemmy.ml 2 points 3 months ago

It seems like Marxism isn’t a science so much as a philosophy about sciences.

Conversely Marxism applied to politics is an attempt to apply that model as rigorously as possible given the constraints the people doing the method are under.