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I wonder what those people claim they keep politics and science seperated. You know, because if you get a lab coat you're immune

"Strawman" - and then you just go with "vegans"... so all? Most? Some? Or maybe just the tiniest percentage? I think you understand for wich ones my argument applies and how "strawman" doesn't, cause numbers. You know, if you pay attention..

Ok lets cut the rhetorics, I was trying to be sincere. I think you might wanna pay some more of that attention (omg sry I stop now) to "dialectic". This does explicitly not mean you can turn the thing around and solely look at the other side.

So of course no change ever happens if all those one persons don't do anything. But they will only change history if they change the underlying structures. To do so, they have to overcome their individualistic constriction and reach collective agency.

You gotta organize. The market won't do, since it is THE form of organization that makes everyone a single player. Both, in their acting and in their consciousness.

This statement (about everyone single personal effort) only becomes meaningful when you take into consideration why people don't. If you do, you will encounter the dialectics of structure and "personal choice" and how complicated history is and how it is not at all about "everybody make a small change in their life".

The liberal feverdream of individual solutions for structural problems is bound to end up in "I buy good groceries".

And, eventhough veganism is a good thing to do, this is why I'm personally so annoyed by vegan communities.

I dont know if reducing your personal sin count or whatever is a substitute for radical critique and political action, or an add-on, so I didn't downvote. But maybe it explains some of it.

Dewindowed

Accepting it is a choice with practical consequences. We should work on understanding what is to change and how and focus on doing it.

Making prophecies about what "Eventually" happens is self handicapping, wich does not help :)

We don't exist as a whole, wich is the political challenge I would like people to focus on.

I think in post religious thinking it's not about "deserve"

Edit (cant properly edit on jerboa rn) .. your base argument is right.

Of course your base argument - capitalist economy is ecolocically destructive and dysfunctional regarding the needs of the many.

"Until there is noone left to fulfill their orders" thats the kind of "justice" i'm talking about. Like, Homoestasis will put them down in the end. Justice will be served. But that's deceptive satisfaction.

Don't go down the "natural balance" kind of revenge fantasy. It only makes one comfy in passivist boundedness. Also the guy in the picture is far more likely do do just fine in a climate catastrophy than you. Gaia nature god lady won't bring you any justice, at all.

Fatalism is in that mix, too. A very easy way to meet political complexity

Never too late for a first time

If you seek emancipation of anyone or anything by critique, you should read up what others wrote down, that had or have the same goal.

Otherwise your are individualistically and egoistically sabotaging the very project you want to contribute to.

Saying the most edgy thing to feel yourself "being on the right side" will not do good to anyone except yourself.