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[–] Cowbee@lemmy.ml 36 points 1 week ago (31 children)

The Democrats, in the eyes of liberals, can only be failed, they cannot fail of their own accord. Now, more than ever, is a good time to start reading theory, as many liberals are disaffected by the US election. I wrote an introductory reading list for Marxism in case anyone wants one.

[–] KoboldCoterie@pawb.social 2 points 1 week ago (30 children)

This wasn't the Democrats being failed, it was the whole country being failed. It wasn't about voting for the Democrats, it was about voting against Donald Trump, and there was only one way to effectively do that. Everyone who refused to do that got exactly what they voted for with Trump, whatever ends up happening, but rather than accepting that maybe this was the worst option, they're just posting memes about how everyone didn't push back against the democrats hard enough, so I doubt it'll sink in.

[–] Cowbee@lemmy.ml 23 points 1 week ago (28 children)

Do you think continuing the slide into fascism as Capitalism continues to decay is a good thing? If not, how do you plan on stopping it?

The fact of the matter is that the Democrats ran to the right of Biden in 2020 and committed fully to genocide. They lost the support they had, and they lost enough to lose the popular vote as well as electoral college. This was a massive failure, and if your plan was simply to vote Dem and hope for the best, then it's clear that your plan A failed. What's your plan B?

[–] Glide@lemmy.ca -1 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago) (1 children)

Everyone always talks like defeating Trump in the election is the end-all be-all of the disussion. Voting Democrat and preventing Trump from taking the white house should have been an obvious step. It is not the best outcome for the election, nor is it the end of the ongoing decay of late-stage capitalism into wealth-based fascism, but all this whataboutism and strawmanning Democrat voters as believing Kamala was going to single-handedly save democracy is disingenous. It was never "Plan A". It was one minor, marginally better compromise in the collective of shit we should be doing.

[–] Cowbee@lemmy.ml 13 points 1 week ago (2 children)

Voting Kamala failed. The Democrats failed to run a campaign that won. That is in the past. What I am saying is that voting Democrat did not work, so I am asking what their plan actually is, if voting Dem wasn't plan A then what is?

Leftists already have a plan that isn't contingent on winning a presidential election. Do liberals?

[–] Cruxifux@feddit.nl 8 points 1 week ago (1 children)

No, they don’t. Liberals believe that voting democrat every four years and arguing with leftists on the internet is activism.

[–] Cowbee@lemmy.ml 6 points 1 week ago

The Brunch Brigade, I call them.

[–] Glide@lemmy.ca -4 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago) (1 children)

I wouldn't know. I'm not an American, and not a card-carrying liberal voter on my country.

What I do know is that this constant othering is how these problems were created in the first place. Spending time and energy building straw men on the Internet is creating enemies, not allies. If you are genuinely dedicated to spreading information and awareness, as your earlier post suggests, making assumptions and jumping down people's throats is hurting your cause, not helping it.

We are currently in the process of creating a larger divide in left-minded individuals, and I am unbelievably sick of it. As the right rapidly unifys, we seem to be learning nothing.

[–] Cowbee@lemmy.ml 5 points 1 week ago

"Othering" is not the cause of problems of polarization, but sharpening of contradictions in decaying Capitalism. Wealth disparity is sky-high and only rapidly climbing. I don't see how I am "jumping down people's throats," I am very clearly saying that since voting Harris didn't work, there must be another plan, and I'm asking what that plan is.

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