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[–] Agent_Karyo@lemmy.world 5 points 8 months ago (13 children)

It's not going to clear, because the russians won't change.

Not because there is something inherently malicious about them/their culture. That's bullshit.

It's the choices they make. And they will continue to make the choice to support genocidal imperialism because they have zero incentive to change.

Western coddling about "they are just afraid, what can they do?" is a massive disservice to the russians (not to mention the countries on the recieving end of their genocidal imperialism).

[–] andrew_bidlaw@sh.itjust.works 2 points 8 months ago* (last edited 8 months ago) (12 children)

May I ask you to elaborate on your last paragraph. About the disservice. What do you mean?

ed: deleted a pointless preambula

[–] Agent_Karyo@lemmy.world 8 points 8 months ago* (last edited 8 months ago) (11 children)

Engaging with russian victim-hood polemics is not going to help bring about any positive change in russian society.

Pretending that russian society does not consist of a strong majority of genocidal imperialists. Coming up with fantasies about how "everyone is just afraid" so they are just pretending to support imperialism. Turns out you can estimate preference falsification and it is relatively minor at ~10% with the impact being a change in support from ~75% to 65% (still a strong majority) for the full scale invasion of Ukraine.

Not putting Navalniy on the pedestal. He was a committed racist and imperialist. He was also a fool who decided to go back to russia, got himself put in jail and got himself killed. If the russians can't find a better leader, then that's on them.

Inviting Navalniy's wife to high end forums where she comes up with stuff like:

What is the European Union's strategy for Russia?

What is your (the russian opposition's) strategy for russia? Everything you've done so far has been a massive failure. Your organization is in exile and your husband foolishly decided to go back to russian prison where he was killed. What are russians going to do next?

Finally, there are those who advocate for the urgent "decolonization" of Russia, arguing to split our vast country into several smaller, safer states. However, these “decolonizers” can’t explain why people with shared backgrounds and culture should be artificially divided. Nor do they say how this process should even take place.

You killed 5% of the civilian population in Chechnya, including in brutal targeted attacks and you speak about artificially divided? If 7 million russian civilians (roughly 5% of the population) were killed, would you be taking such a cavalier attitude?

If the russians do want to change their society for the better, they need to first confront the issues above. They will never achieve anything if they keep playing dumb. There is no reason to choose a "putin lite" over the real deal.

[–] rockerface@lemm.ee 2 points 8 months ago (1 children)

"Shared background and culture" more like forcefully homogenised by russian empire and then ussr. Jesus Christ there is no end to the gaslighting

[–] andrew_bidlaw@sh.itjust.works 1 points 8 months ago

Your reply is irrelevant to that exact conversation.

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