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[–] Cowbee@lemmy.ml 14 points 4 days ago* (last edited 4 days ago) (12 children)

The nuances of the PRC's desire for a One China policy largely stem from the Marxist theory of Nations, along with a desire to throw off all western colonizers. Without understanding the depths of the "century of humiliation" you can't hope to understand the desire for a unified China.

Secondly, the PRC's process means social change comes slowly, but it has been improving. Notably, Xin Jing, a transgender woman, is one of China's top celebrities. Change is slow, but is happening at different rates across different sections of the PRC. Social change comes from improvements in productive forces and focusing on people as a priority.

Thirdly, nobody is saying the PRC is Anarchist, but your insistence that everyone agree with you saying the government is by definition a tool of oppression despite 90%+ approval rates stands at direct odds with the people themselves. Like it or not, you must face the reality that it is Marxism that has brought great improvements to China's conditions, and these improvements are continuing at a rapid pace, and thus has widespread support.

[–] PotatoesFall@discuss.tchncs.de 1 points 4 days ago (11 children)

it is Marxism that has brought great improvements to China’s conditions, and these improvements are continuing at a rapid pace, and thus has widespread support.

I can face that reality I think.

All fair points, but what about Taiwan and Hong Kong? What about the treatment of minorities?

[–] Cowbee@lemmy.ml 9 points 4 days ago (6 children)

Others have done far more research on those subjects and can answer them better than I can, so rather than contribute to the spread of nonsense I will refrain from speaking outside of what I factually know.

What, specifically, are you asking about?

[–] PotatoesFall@discuss.tchncs.de 0 points 4 days ago (2 children)

Hong Kong has experienced violent oppression from China when there were protests. Taiwan wants to be independent but is not recognized as such by China. While Western media has certainly exaggerated claims, there are credible reports of uyghurs being repressed. I'm not saying this behavior is worse than Western imperialist behavior. I'm saying these are imperialist behaviors, and just like the US, the Chinese government tries to cover them up or pretend they aren't happening, or comes up with some reason for it.

What I'm saying is that there are some people who buy into that, and will shut down any criticism of it.

[–] Kieselguhr@hexbear.net 11 points 4 days ago* (last edited 4 days ago) (1 children)

there are credible reports of uyghurs being repressed.

Could you link one that is not from Adrian Zenz or from ASPI or the US NGO-industrial complex?

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some lurkers might have missed this all timer AMA on reddit when a literal CIA agent from Guantanamo Bay started lecturing about the "Uyghur genocide"

[–] PotatoesFall@discuss.tchncs.de 1 points 4 days ago (1 children)
[–] Kieselguhr@hexbear.net 8 points 4 days ago (1 children)

It's literally just an American politician at the UN in 2018 citing "credible reports"

As an anarchist, do you often believe what US bureaucrats say? Because if you do I can give you plenty of links from other bureaucrats who don't agree with her

The World Bank’s work is driven by core principles of inclusion, with special consideration for the protection of minorities and other vulnerable peoples. When allegations are made, the World Bank takes them seriously and reviews them thoroughly. In line with standard practice, immediately after receiving a series of serious allegations in August 2019 in connection with the Xinjiang Technical and Vocational Education and Training Project, the Bank launched a fact-finding review, and World Bank senior managers traveled to Xinjiang to gather information directly. After receiving the allegations, no disbursements were made on the project.

The team conducted a thorough review of project documents, engaged in discussions with project staff, and visited schools directly financed by the project, as well as their partner schools that were the subject of allegations. The review did not substantiate the allegations.

[–] PotatoesFall@discuss.tchncs.de -1 points 4 days ago

It's not just one guy, the article cites several sources.

[–] Cowbee@lemmy.ml 7 points 4 days ago

There's a lot going on here, so I will go section by section.

  1. Hong Kong

The scale of the violence against protestors is exaggerated, and much of the protests were directly funded by Hong Kong bourgeoisie and Western NGOs and States, like the US. Currently, less than a quarter want independence. This is because Hong Kong was a british colony and financially is totally enmeshed with mainland China.

  1. Taiwan

Both Taiwan and the PRC claim legitimate rule to the entirety of China. However, Taiwan's historical background is as a runaway retreat for the Kuomintang, a Nationalist party that was at war with the much more popular CPC. Taiwan also serves as a staging ground for the US to exert pressure on the PRC.

  1. Uyghur Repression

This is a topic I don't know enough about, and reserve the right not to speak. However, I will say that claims of "genocide" come from the fascist Adrian Zenz, and moreover travel to Xinjiang is open and freely permissible. In addition, Uyghurs were exempt from the One Child Policy, as all minority populations were. I cannot speak on the treatment within the re-education camps, however, as I have not done the research necessary.

  1. Imperialism

When Marxists speak of Imperialism, they speak of Lenin's definition and outlining, which refers to a specific stage in Capitalism where Industrial and Financial Capital are exported to super-exploit for super-profits. These actions by the PRC do not constitute Imperialism from that standpoint.

  1. Covering up

I am not aware of the CPC covering up or censoring discussion of these topics.

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