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Forest of trees (lemmy.ml)

submitted 4 days ago by geneva_convenience@lemmy.ml to c/memes@lemmy.ml

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[–] MaeBorowski@hexbear.net 12 points 4 days ago (17 children)

China is a government that rules over billions of people. That is, by definition, evil.

Funny how 95% of the Chinese population approves of and rates favorably this terrible "ruling over" they are being subjected to.

New theory just dropped, everyone: The more people a government represents, the more evil that government is.

[–] PotatoesFall@discuss.tchncs.de -2 points 4 days ago (16 children)

New theory just dropped, everyone: The more people a government represents, the more evil that government is.

lmao. I unironically believe this though. The more you concentrate power, the harder it is to keep bad actors from abusing said power.

Funny how 95% of the Chinese population approves of and rates favorably this terrible “ruling over” they are being subjected to.

Most Americans approve of capitalism. Does that make it good too?

[–] Kieselguhr@hexbear.net 9 points 4 days ago (3 children)

Most Americans approve of capitalism. Does that make it good too?

because "capitalism" and "communism" are loaded words

consider this though:

A year before the presidential election, three-quarters of Americans (76%) believe the country is headed in the wrong direction and the leading Democratic and Republican candidates are viewed broadly unfavorably, according to a new ABC News/Ipsos poll. Only 23% of Americans think the country is headed in the right direction.

When asked whether things in their country are heading in the right direction, or are they off on the wrong track, 90 percent of the respondents from China taking part in this Ipsos survey said they were heading in the right direction.

[–] PotatoesFall@discuss.tchncs.de -1 points 4 days ago (1 children)

I don't see what the approval rates of these two countries have to do with anything here. In terms of the economy and infrastructure, China is indeed moving in the right direction. That doesn't mean I think China is a force of good in the world. It's a nation state and should be subject to criticism. And all I'm saying is that there are people who will religiously dogpile you if you try to do that, and I call those people tankies.

[–] MaeBorowski@hexbear.net 8 points 4 days ago (1 children)

China is indeed moving in the right direction. That doesn't mean I think China is a force of good in the world.

Then what would? If the fact that China is doing good in the world is not enough for you to think "it a force for good in the world" then what does it need to do? Oh, I forgot, you think "all nation states are bad by definition" and unironically believe that the more people a government represents, the more evil it is. So in order for China to be "a force for good in the world" China simply has to cease to exist. Got it. Nope, that doesn't align with US interests at all. picard-troll

It's a nation state and should be subject to criticism. And all I'm saying is that there are people who will religiously dogpile you if you try to do that, and I call those people tankies.

Literally no one on lemmy has ever said China is above criticism. I dare you to find a single instance of that ever happening.

[–] PotatoesFall@discuss.tchncs.de -1 points 4 days ago

Literally no one on lemmy has ever said China is above criticism. I dare you to find a single instance of that ever happening.

That's not quite what I mean, I think we got sidetracked. I'll give you an example:

https://lemmy.ml/post/21941058

This guy posts the worst propaganda article I've ever read, and gets downvoted to oblivion. Take a look and tell me that reading it doesn't feel like wormtongue himself is whispering into your ear. The issue being lamented in the article is real, and I made clear in my first comment that I agree, but the OP goes off, assumes that I don't like the article because a Russian wrote it, calls me a liberal, puts up 100 strawmen without engaging any of my arguments, and then accuses me of not engaging their (nonexistent) arguments. I wasn't even disagreeing with the article just the way it's written lmao

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