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[–] QuietCupcake@hexbear.net 10 points 4 days ago (11 children)

If China is so great then why does it feel the need to dictate over Hong Kong and Taiwan?

It doesn't. Taiwan and Hong Kong ARE China. If anything the high level of autonomy that China allows reactionary regional governments to have is what should be criticized.

Does China have gay marriage? Trans rights perhaps?

China allows for civil unions for LGBTQ. https://www.globaltimes.cn/content/1162943.shtml It made civil unions legal across the nation before USA made gay marriage legal in every state. Like all places in the world (some more than others) China has a long way to go on LGBTQ rights. But that's just it, China is improving along those lines, while the US is rapidly regressing. China is improving with trans rights and has been punishing companies that violate them. So yes, we should absolutely support China in continuing to move in the correct direction.

It's a nation state (a far too big one at that), which are by definition tools of oppression.

Lol, by whose definition? A state is only as good or bad as the ruling class that wields it. A bourgeois (capitalist) state will always be oppressive. As a socialist state (and China is a socialist state), the CPC uses its power to suppress the constant attempts of the bourgeois to oppress the working class.

[–] PotatoesFall@discuss.tchncs.de -5 points 4 days ago (10 children)

Taiwan and Hong Kong ARE China

Imperialism much?

China is improving along those lines, while the US is rapidly regressing

That's fair, but it's once again an argument based entirely on comparing China to the US. The US being bad doesn't make China good. To get back to my original argument, I'm just saying that the word 'tankie' refers to China or Russia simps. There is no nation in this world worth simping for.

[–] OurToothbrush@lemmy.ml 9 points 4 days ago (8 children)

Imperialism much?

It is imperialism to let proxy governments for the UK and US maintain a colonial foothold in China actually.

[–] PotatoesFall@discuss.tchncs.de -4 points 4 days ago (2 children)

So the Taiwanese all desperately want to join the DPRC? Last I checked Taiwan was a sovereign nation. Capitalism has a foothold there but the British no longer rule there. Justifying imperialism with imperialism also doesn't magically make it okay

[–] Kieselguhr@hexbear.net 9 points 4 days ago (1 children)

Last I checked Taiwan was a sovereign nation.

Please, check again picard

Disputes about Taiwan's sovereignty is the most famous fact about Taiwan. You are deeply unserious.

[–] PotatoesFall@discuss.tchncs.de -3 points 4 days ago* (last edited 4 days ago)

Okay I may have worded that wrong but that is also misleading. China is a huge power (I say this is a problem as you may recall). Having diplomatic ties with China is necessary for most nations. China refuses to have diplomatic ties with anyone who recognizes Taiwan as a sovereign nation. So, everybody pretends they don't recognize it, officially. In reality Taiwan has its own government and isn't ruled over by China. In 1991, Taiwan/ROC even recognized the DPRC.

[–] OurToothbrush@lemmy.ml 7 points 4 days ago* (last edited 4 days ago) (1 children)

Capitalism has a foothold there but the British no longer rule there. Justifying imperialism with imperialism also doesn’t magically make it okay

No they just installed a friendly neocolonial government. Jesus Christ do some basic investigation. If the British invaded part of your hometown and installed a puppet government, would you call it imperialism for it to be taken back by your town?

[–] PotatoesFall@discuss.tchncs.de -3 points 4 days ago (1 children)

by my town no. By another country overseas, yes

[–] OurToothbrush@lemmy.ml 7 points 4 days ago* (last edited 4 days ago) (1 children)

So your argument is the geographical boundaries mean when a country is split it is imperialism to unite it again?

Imagine if the confederacy retreated to the keys islands, that's sort of the level of ridiculous here. The right wing losers of a civil war retreated to an island that was and is considered part of the country.

[–] PotatoesFall@discuss.tchncs.de -3 points 4 days ago (1 children)

I would go even further. If a country exists and everybody has a national identity, all happy citizens. Then one region decides to become separatist. If the rest of the country doesn't let them separate, I would qualify that as imperialism as well.

[–] OurToothbrush@lemmy.ml 7 points 4 days ago

Have you read anything on what imperialism actually is?

I would suggest reading Lenin's "Imperialism"

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