Defeating the Nazis was an act of political violence, freeing slaves was an act of political violence, over throwing the feudal system was an act of political believe, driving out colonial empires is an act of political violence, enforcing property rights is an act of political violence, ceasing the means of production is an act of political violence.

See? This is exactly, exactly what I was talking about.

[–] WolfLink@sh.itjust.works -4 points 5 months ago* (last edited 5 months ago) (30 children)

I mean we both know I’m talking about specific acts of political violence, but you are right in that I should have clarified.

To be clear what makes it authoritarian is when it’s the state/government/leadership that is using acts of violence against citizens with political ideas that would threaten their power.

And tankies get the name specifically from either defending or denying that specifically the Soviet Union used violence to suppress attempts to leave their union. When I was on .ml I also frequently saw defense or denial of China using violence that way such as the infamous Tiananmen Square Massacre.

People from lemmy.ml love to shout that people who want them defederated are “capitalist” and hexbear has decided accusing people of being anti-trans is their move, but those are simply strawmen, and really poorly constructed ones at that.

[–] folaht@lemmy.ml 2 points 5 months ago* (last edited 5 months ago) (15 children)

Calling the 1989 incidence in Beijing the Tianenmen Square Massacre is like calling the 2021 incidence in Washington D.C. The Freedom Plaza Killings where the Democratic Party ruthlessly slaughtered innocent civilians after a peaceful protest, with the exception that the protesters in 2021 were more reasonable and less violent than the rioters in Beijing. Especially for the fact that when Washington decided to send the military in, the Jan 6 rioters did not decide to stay and try to block the US military from entering the Capitol or Plaza.

I won't be surprised to eventually see an actual equivalent type (demands from pro-palestine protesters for educational reforms) of protest happening in the US with far higher causalties as a result.

[–] Trainguyrom@reddthat.com 1 points 5 months ago (1 children)

Wow that's quite the revisionism there

[–] folaht@lemmy.ml 7 points 5 months ago* (last edited 5 months ago)

Calling an insurgency a peaceful protest is indeed revisionist if one were to do so.

And calling a revolt an insurgency and calling insurgency where rioters kill over 100 soldiers a peaceful protest with counteraction against such insurgency a massacre is also quite the revisionism.

The timeline of Tianenmen 1989 is

large continuing peaceful protests for US-controlled school education
groups of students or "students" killing soldiers on the street
evacuating peaceful protesters from the square + soldiers killing insurgents still active on the street
train station incident, unrelated protesters block soldiers with strict orders from entering train
tanks arrive on square and start patrolling the streets
Man with shopping bags stops tank on the same street the soldiers and insurgents were killed, then jumps on it, other students drag him off the tank and away.

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