I mean, technically displacing the air with that time machine on such a massive time scale is just as likely to result in returning to a civilization of dolphin people as riding a dinosaur would.

[–] hydroptic@sopuli.xyz 53 points 10 months ago (3 children)

Or you shedding some of your microbiome's bacteria and fungi into the environment and whoops: they outcompeted something "local" and now whole species change.

I honestly don't think there'd be any way to avoid doing something that could possibly change the future in a dramatic way, because that far back incredibly minute changes could possibly lead to huge differences (because chaos theory), to the level of "a butterfly didn't flap its wings because I accidentally squashed it with my time machine, and now humanity never happened. Oops." But any change that means you didn't ever go on your trip means you have some sort of paradox on your hands, and then it becomes a question of how timelines work

[–] AllonzeeLV@lemmy.world 30 points 10 months ago* (last edited 10 months ago) (2 children)

I think you could drastically minimize any impact by doing the time travel in space and merely observing from high orbit, assuming your time machine has no form of exhaust, which if you have a time machine seems like a relatively small engineering challenge by comparison.

You might displace a few atoms in the void, but it's the safest way one could go about it.

[–] hydroptic@sopuli.xyz 22 points 10 months ago* (last edited 10 months ago) (1 children)

Oh yeah, like an observation platform. That's probably the only way you'd be doing time travel anyhow since it's also space travel because the Earth now isn't where the Earth was 200 million years ago; doing an atmospheric re-entry across time when you're not 100% sure where exactly everything will be sounds like an occupational health hazard and inadvisable at best. Gods fucking help you if anything goes wrong and you violently scatter pieces of your fancy time machine across a few square km of densely populated (by animals including genus Homo) area.

[–] Sotuanduso@lemm.ee 11 points 10 months ago (2 children)

What do you think happened to the dinosaurs?

[–] tubaruco@lemm.ee 7 points 10 months ago

nothing, theyre still here

[–] WhiskyTangoFoxtrot@lemmy.world 2 points 10 months ago

Just don't take any annoying mathematical prodigies with you.

[–] numberfour002@lemmy.world 6 points 10 months ago

Well, I don't think time travel backwards in this manner is possible, but if it is, it would have to operate under the laws of thermodynamics which means the energy (and maybe even some of the atoms) that was "transported back in time" would represent a paradox.

The energy and/or some of the atoms in you and the time machine were already somewhere in the past when dinosaurs roamed the earth. Which presents a paradox (and this is probably not even the only paradox), so how does the universe conserve energy in that situation?

Somehow the "original" atoms and energy that became you and the machine would need to be reconciled with the duplicates that suddenly turned up.

So maybe there's a mysterious process that obliterates energy? What would it be and how would it work? Would that be equivalent to the false vacuum that could fundamentally destroy the universe as we currently know it?

Or maybe there's nothing to actually stop duplication of energy and atoms and it's entirely feasible to go back in time. You take the time machine back, see some dinos from space, and you managed to otherwise not change a thing. That means in some dozens of million years, you and that machine will be sent back to exactly the same time and location again because nothing has changed. Bam, now you and that time machine are in triplicate. But, with nothing really changing, the same process will occur again and again. Does it reach a point where there's so much duplicated energy / matter that something fundamentally different has to happen? Would all those duplicate yous and time machines coalesce into a giant cosmic object that comes crashing down to the Earth like a giant asteroid, thus killing off most dinosaurs and paving the way for human evolution? Hmmm.

[–] WhiskyTangoFoxtrot@lemmy.world 11 points 10 months ago (2 children)

The only safe method of time travel is via Christmas ghost.

[–] brianorca@lemmy.world 2 points 10 months ago (1 children)

You could still cause a stampede.

[–] optissima@lemmy.ml 3 points 10 months ago* (last edited 10 months ago)

That would require the Dinos to believe in me, so I'm safe

[–] explodicle@local106.com 1 points 10 months ago

Or the time wound

[–] MonkderZweite@feddit.ch 4 points 10 months ago* (last edited 10 months ago) (1 children)

Luckily, as far as we understand things, there's no way to go back in time (only less fast to the future, which isn't the same). For one thing, because there's no backup mechanism for reality to jump back to.

Timelines are fiction. They hurt some fundamental principles of how the universe works. Time isn't like a river or a line at all; better start thinking of time like the air around you: it's just there, can be formed, affects things but there can't be less than none.

[–] hydroptic@sopuli.xyz 1 points 10 months ago (1 children)

Oh sure, but it's fun to think about how time travel could maybe work if it was a thing.

[–] MonkderZweite@feddit.ch 2 points 10 months ago (1 children)

My bad. My fun-detector is sleep deprived. Maybe i should work a bit instead of commenting.

[–] hydroptic@sopuli.xyz 1 points 10 months ago

Aww, it's ok. And it's good to point out that time travel to the past very likely isn't a thing, people sometimes assume it's something we'll eventually be able to do

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