I think you fail to notice that i also consider the vast majority of "liberal democracies" to be decaying into fascism already. Your insinuations of my intentions are frivolous.

Just to make sure: you do realise that criticism of Russia does not equate to praise for Western democracies?

[–] Bloomcole@lemmy.world 3 points 1 month ago (6 children)

"I think you fail to notice that i also consider the vast majority of “liberal democracies” to be decaying into fascism already. Your insinuations of my intentions are frivolous."
I do recognise that, a very rare occurence in the sea of Russophobic warmongering where there o so democratic neighbours can do no wrong despite being awful.

And I want to make sure I don't like Putin and his policies.
I do support the lesser evil and the enemy of my enemy.
There has been done enough to almost risk WW3 where Europe mainly suffers and the intigators, the US as usual profits.
This bcs people don't know the facts and fail to see western media is just as controlled and propagandised.

[–] irmoz@lemmy.world 1 points 1 month ago (5 children)

I'm willing to admit that much or even all I've heard about Russia is purely propaganda - but the alternative seems to be taking Russia at its word, and that would mean swallowing their own propaganda. The truth must lie somewhere in the middle, but where that is is hard to say.

To be clear, I don't think the "Russia invaded poor peaceful Ukraine for fun" narrative is accurate. However, I don't see any convincing alternatives to that. The "denazification" idea coming from Russia seems flimsy at best. There does certainly seem to be a large Nazi presence in Ukraine. But, unless they seem to be ramping up towards a pseudo fourth reich, that doesn't seem to me to be a justification for a full-on invasion. Sanctions? Blockading? Defensive alliances with the rest of Europe? Those would seem reasonable.

But, yeah, there's obviously a gap in my knowledge regarding this. I'm just not convinced yet that the gap contains justified excuses for Russia's actions.

[–] Litebit@lemmy.world 1 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago)

Bingo, never forget Putin is ex-KGB/FSB, the master of propaganda. Many people seem to fall easily for russia and US propaganda. This war has nothing to do with massive CSTO, NATO, NAZI , LGBTQ, biolabs and etc. Those are propaganda for sheeps. To make it seem complicated. It is the same strategy, the WMDs excuses US used to invade Iraq. We hate US for doing that, It is the same reason we hate russia for doing the same, unless one is a hypocrite.

Russia have hardly any troops along border with NATO members. Russia is already surrounded with nuclear powers. No nuclear power will nuke a neighbour as the radiation will spread to their own country. Russia have nukes right next to NATO members in kaliningard. Russia made Belarus a nuclear sponge.

The truth is more likely simple and practical, more about getting warm water ports and more lands and imperialism but it hard to sell facist ideas like that to the people. Putin talked about soviet empire during interview with carlson. Russia got the warm water port from Crimea but most of the water supply to crimea comes from Ukraine. This invasion is to secure that water supply and probably even to link up with Transnistria. Any other reason given is just pure propaganda to build support, to demonize the enemy and sell the need for invasion to sheeps. Like the WMDs in iraq.

Also note NATO does not expand it is based on membership, one way to identify russia talking point propaganda is someone using the word "expansion" or "pushing expansion" when talking about bad NATO. In geopolitics expansion usually means invasion. Potential NATO member, apply for membership and are accepted by vote. Before the war there was only minority public support inside ukraine for ukraine joining NATO, it changed after the war. Ukraine even said they won't apply to NATO but russia didn't leave Ukraine lands. It was about the lands not NATO.

Putin : "I am absolutely convinced that Ukraine will not shy away from the processes of expanding interaction with NATO and the Western allies as a whole. Ukraine has its own relations with NATO; there is the Ukraine-NATO Council. At the end of the day the decision is to be taken by NATO and Ukraine. It is a matter for those two partners." http://www.en.kremlin.ru/events/president/transcripts/21598

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