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Seriously this was very surprising. I've been experimenting with GrayJay since it was announced and I largely think it's a pretty sweet app. I know there are concerns over how it isn't "true open source" but it's a hell of a lot more open than ReVanced. Plus, I like the general design and philosophy of the app.

I updated the YouTube backend recently and to my surprise and delight they had added support for SponsorBlock. However, when I went to enable it, it warned me "turning this on harms creators" and made me click a box before I could continue.

Bruh, you're literally an ad-blocking YouTube frontend. What kind of mental gymnastics does it take to be facilitating ad-blocking and then at the same time shame the end-user for using an extension which simply automates seeking ahead in videos. Are you seriously gonna tell me that even without Sponsorblock, if I skip ahead past the sponsored ad read in a video, that I'm "harming the creator"?

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[–] stifle867@programming.dev 1 points 1 year ago (6 children)

I'm confused about your stance on ReVanced. It's about as open-source as you can get https://github.com/revanced/revanced-patches

[–] bionicjoey@lemmy.ca 0 points 1 year ago (5 children)

With ReVanced there is a core underlying app being patched which is not OSS. With GrayJay, the source of the whole thing is source-available

[–] stifle867@programming.dev 1 points 1 year ago (1 children)

I understand that and wouldn't have commented if you said that. Instead you said that, quote, ReVanced, end quote, is not open source.

[–] kick_out_the_jams@kbin.social 0 points 1 year ago (1 children)

My understanding is that it literally can't be used in an open fashion since it critically requires a proprietary closed base.

Some source code is available but the entire thing is not open source.

[–] ayaya@lemdro.id 1 points 1 year ago (2 children)

I think you guys are just discussing semantics. Revanced as a project is the patches themselves, so Revanced is open source. But a YouTube app patched with the Revanced patches is not.

[–] stifle867@programming.dev 1 points 1 year ago

Exactly. Could have just said YouTube is closed source from the start when ReVanced is 100% open-source.

[–] kick_out_the_jams@kbin.social 1 points 1 year ago

That's a better way to frame it.

The patch is 'about as open source as you can get' but the actual application is far from it.

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