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[–] anytimesoon@lemmy.ml 88 points 9 months ago (28 children)

The point should be to bring everyone up, not pull others down, though

[–] tacosanonymous@lemm.ee 32 points 9 months ago (4 children)

That’s impossible since the point was a superficial elevation of their own interests.

Unless you think the point of feminism (for example) is to make men second class citizens. That’s just not a thing. It’s a rhetoric created by assholes to get ignorant people on board with their continued grossness.

[–] H4rdStyl3z@lemmy.ml 19 points 9 months ago (3 children)

Unless you think the point of feminism (for example) is to make men second class citizens. That’s just not a thing. It’s a rhetoric created by assholes to get ignorant people on board with their continued grossness.

I think there may be some radicals who genuinely wish for that, but those don't represent the entire movement and usually only pay lip service to the cause where it aligns with their personal beliefs. They should be ignored.

[–] grue@lemmy.world 12 points 9 months ago

I think there may be some radicals who genuinely wish for that

Those aren't radicals; those are reactionary trolls who falsely claim allegiance to the movement in order to discredit it.

[–] psud@lemmy.world 3 points 9 months ago

For a while it seemed like that minority owned the term "feminism"

[–] tacosanonymous@lemm.ee 0 points 9 months ago

I’m not even sure the radicals want that. Anger is an appropriate response to oppression. Vengeance is an extreme form of that but I doubt anyone that isn't truly damaged would be okay with it.

[–] Rooskie91@discuss.online 11 points 9 months ago

There's also a psychological phenomenon that occurs in 'elite classes' where they think that someone getting more means they get less. They literally cannot fathom someone getting welfare without it affecting them negatively. It's one of the reasons why poor people still support Republicans.

[–] TheAnonymouseJoker@lemmy.ml 0 points 9 months ago

Unless you think the point of feminism (for example) is to make men second class citizens.

More people want this, than you think. These "radicals" are not a minority, and they are the ones who have ruined what feminism once stood for – equality. And the most intriguing part is this has only happened within the last decade, thanks to social media amplifying toxic voices (negativity spreads fastest). Feminism wants to recruit men, but openly says men and their rights (equality) are not their responsibility.

There is a big question mark on equality claims, which frustrates me, because neither needs to suffer.

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