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Don't want to spoil your little circlejerk here, but that should not surprise anyone, considering chatbots are trained on vast amounts of human data input. Humans have a rich history of violence with only brief excursions into "collaborating for the good of mankind and the planet we live on". So unless you build a chatbot that focuses on those values the result will inevitably be a mirror image of us human shitbags.
Humans have a history of violence as well as altruism. And with an increasing degree of societal complexity, humans also have a consistent record of violence reduction. See e.g. "The better angels of our nature" (Pinker, 2011).
Painting humans as intrinsically violent is not backed by evidence.
But humans are intrinsically violent as evidenced by the fact every human society has weapons, kills animals to eat, and goes to war.
I’m familiar with Pinker. If he’s claiming humans are not intrinsically violent he can take it up with me because he’s rejecting the most obvious of evidence.
If humans weren’t intrinsically violent, then there wouldn’t be human violence.
We are inherently violent in the sense that inherently, we need to understand violence.
We arent inherently violent in that we dont inherently choose violence before all else.
We need violence, evolutionarily, to hunt and to stop ourselves from being hunted. We are also a heavily social species, which requires ask first punch later mentalities.
If we were intrinsically violent, we wouldnt have cities. We wouldnt have even reached that level of collaboration before killing one another.
Human violence comes about, largely, due to aggression being the "safer" reaction to fear. Pre society, fear happens when threatened with death, and violence usually stops that. Be it death via hunger so violence kills a meal, or death via predator so violence defends you.
We still have that knee jerk response to fear, but now what scares us isnt actually a death threat. So we accidentally treat the unknown like it wants to kill us.
We arent intrinsically violent, we are too easily scared.
And you prevent fear of the unknown, typically, with education.