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[–] zbyte64@lemmy.blahaj.zone 4 points 11 months ago* (last edited 11 months ago) (5 children)

if you don’t believe that the ultimate power in any market is consumer choice

Because I believe in open source where I'm not a consumer, but a participant in it's creation. The ultimate power in the market isn't consumer choice, it's the choice over what gets made and who gets paid.

[–] galloog1@lemmy.world 0 points 11 months ago (4 children)

Not everyone wants to be responsible for every aspect of their lives. Can I assume you don't want to participate in your own food production or waste disposal? Specialization of labor is an important component in this which most respectable leftist texts will at least attempt to answer, even if they cannot solve it without centralization of economic planning.

[–] zbyte64@lemmy.blahaj.zone 4 points 11 months ago (3 children)

Being pro-Open source is to be against the specialization of labor? That's probably not what you mean, but I don't get how having the option to participate negates specialized labor.

[–] Cowbee@lemm.ee 1 points 11 months ago (1 children)

I'm pretty sure they just operate on reflex. I say I think democratization of production is a good thing, they say that I'm suddenly a hardcore USSR Stan and want to Purge everyone who disagrees with a Supreme leader. I truly don't think someone thinking coherently and logically can make these leaps, they must be purely operating on anti-socialist reflex.

They wouldn't even answer straight when I asked which is better, a factory that is democratically controlled, or a factory that is owned solely by a Capitalist, then said I'm as dangerous as a fascist.

[–] zbyte64@lemmy.blahaj.zone 2 points 11 months ago (1 children)

Love it. Often I'll frame "better" in terms of individualism. Licking a boot as an individual is better than bargaining as a group I guess 🤷

[–] Cowbee@lemm.ee 2 points 11 months ago

Yep, for these people Capitalism is the only thing that has ever existed and is the only thing that will ever exist, so there's no point in advocating for better, as it can't be better. Real "end of history" neoliberal bullshit.

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