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There is no equivalent data for the second image, because "communism has never been tried."
It's very funny to me that leftists can explain the same simple concept numerous times, and reactionaries will make the same misunderstanding about what was explained.
Communism is a Stateless, Classless, Moneyless society that is to be achieved after Socialism (or directly after Capitalism if you're an Anarcho-Communist, like Kropotkin, author of the book mentioned in the title). Socialism is Worker Ownership of the Means of Production.
Following this, we can see that, for example, the USSR was a genuine attempt at Socialism along the lines of the Marxist-Leninist strategy, that never reached Communism. Communism was the goal, but it never got there. Reactionaries like yourself will take this as a dismissal of any attempts at achieving Socialism purely as a lack of understanding.
Similarly, reactionaries will take clearly fascist, far-right Capitalist regimes like Nazi Germany, do exactly no thinking, then assume it was actually Socialist and that it's yet another example of leftists denying Socialist projects.
There's more nuance, Anarchists may believe that the USSR created a new class of beaurocrats and thus wasn't true Worker Ownership, but even as someone with Anarchist leanings I acknowledge that the USSR was still directed at achieving Communism, but those are arguments from people that genuinely understand leftism, not reactionaries who make the same mistakes as each other.
Zero time between bolded assertions of misrepresentation... and 'I bet you also mean Nazis.'
Nah. I'm describing conversations that pivot like it's just a word game. 'We should do a communism.' 'That super didn't work in several example countries.' 'They don't count! That wasn't true communism.'
Okay... but they were trying.
They tried to try communism.
They had your stated goals... and often your planned methods... and it went a certain way. Why else would an example count? Is this not exactly the criticism y'all do for capitalism, when you say it inevitably tends toward the worst outcomes? You'd never respect some asshole insisting 'capitalism is only when perfectly informed consumers make rational choices between unlimited options,' and therefore 'capitalism has never been tried.' That inane hair-splitting wouldn't dispel condemnation of observable problems. They know which countries and systems you're talking about, when you talk shit about them.
Y'all know which countries people are talking about, and why. There's a flag in this image. Picking nits about word choice is not a meaningful defense of what they fucked up, and why.
Imagine having such a tiny, useless brain that you think "hurr durr attempts at communism weren't successful" is a good argument when we see capitalism failing worldwide.