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I feel like inmutable distros are in a quite good state nowadays, and while solutions like bootc and sysexts are not “mainstream” yet, it’s getting there

when it comes to getting non Flatpak packages, things get interesting, there are a lot of options, really

AppImages, statically linked binaries, tarballs, OCI containers, distrobox/toolbx, Homebrew, VMs, Nix even experimental formats like RunImages, AppBundles and FlatImages

if you need some non-system level package, you’ll have a way to use it yet, still it seems sort of chaotic “which one should I choose? how will I be able to easily manage them?”

GPM, dbin, Soar, AM… and the list goes on

and it’s okay, the so called cloud native approach is still evolving, so this fragmentation is expected so it’s nice to share opinions about this while we’re living this interesting phase any thoughts?

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[–] boredsquirrel@slrpnk.net 6 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago) (17 children)

All of the methods have big issues but I would still prefer them over messing with a mutable system

  • snap is likely the most secure by avoiding user namespaces, using AppArmor only and thus being very flexible (also for use for kernels, drivers, browsers ...) but it is proprietary, nobody likes it and Canonical doesnt wanna stop somehow.
  • flatpak has the biggest amount of officially maintained packages, but packaging is often really bad, runtime extensions arent really a thing, instead people just put ffmpeg binaries in their packaged and think that is fine. Flatpak does consume quite some disk space and more importantly RAM for the duplicated things
  • nix doesnt have any of these, but sandboxing is hard, there is either stable or unstable, changing and configuring things is very complex. Likely no official packages. Still the method I prefer.
  • homebrew idk? Never tried, mac focused and with more and more linux features like sandboxing. No idea
  • distrobox/toolbox is pretty hacky, relies on entire distros running in parallel with no shared anything (currently, afaik bootc deduplication is kind of planned but kind of difficult too). Updates dont really work so either you go declarative with podman compose or distrobox-assemble, or you use rolling distros. Also they share your homedir by default so they will clutter and mess up your dotfiles which is a problem nobody deals with. Dotfile backup tools exist but are kinda complex. Distrobox has a config but the creator doesnt seem to want to make it the default, neither do downstreams.
  • Appimages just suck, back to the windows way but without developer signature verification (like Windows) or secure updates (like .apk files on Android)

Also Nix, Flatpak and a few more fully depend on Github. Same with uBlue, Secureblue and a ton of other projects. Really scary actually.

[–] EchoDelta_9@programming.dev 1 points 1 day ago (1 children)

Likely no official packages.

Would you mind explaining what you mean with this? Thanks in advance!

[–] moonpiedumplings@programming.dev 1 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago) (1 children)

They are probably referring to the way that snap, flatpak, and distrobox are available as official packages in most linux distro's repositories, whereas nix isn't. I have encountered this frustration for sure. Debian and Arch provide nix packages, but many other distros don't.

In addition to this, nix requires manual setup if you install it from the repos, which is annoying. And then you have to do further manual setup to enable flakes, and then you have to figure out how to install packages and it's not fun.

So the main way people install nix is via the curl | bash scripts various "distros" of Nix provide.

[–] boredsquirrel@slrpnk.net 2 points 1 day ago (1 children)

No, official packages mean packaged upstream by the creators of the software, so if issues occur you can talk to them directly.

[–] EchoDelta_9@programming.dev 1 points 20 hours ago

Ah okay. Thanks for clarifying! But isn't that a problem with most repositories? I believe Flatpak's verified is one of the few exceptions.

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