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which linux phone is the most promising? (lemmy.ml)
submitted 9 months ago* (last edited 9 months ago) by GravitySpoiled@lemmy.ml to c/linux@lemmy.ml
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I want to donate to a linux phone. I believe in linux and I want a linux phone. Maybe we can use one in very few years as a normal daily driver. It's getting closer and closer every month.

I want to donate that we get there sooner. But which project? I'm following postmarket but I'm not sure if they are the most promising. What's your stance on this? To which project would you give your money to accellerate it?

Edit: I don't want to buy a phone. I want to support the phone os devs. Sorry for the bad wording.

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[–] Pantherina@feddit.de 47 points 9 months ago (47 children)

Tbh GrapheneOS.

Android is Linux.

And unlike desktop Linux it was able to spread secure and private standards

  • every app is sandboxed, not some opt-in like Flatpak
  • apps start with no permissions (or at least very little), everything is opt-in
  • it is like 99% unbreaking, immutable, it just always works while my desktop Linux broke all the time
  • there is a webview, which can be hardened. Not Electron, which is insecure and bloated
  • energy saving etc work like a charm. 1% battery loss over an entire night!
  • hardware security with trusted element is decades ahead of desktop Linux (Ubuntu is just now getting TPM encryption support)
  • it is a unified platform, with tons of apps, many of them essential (as the platform is so secure), like 2FA, Banking, public services etc. you can have a full FOSS phone though

I am sure excited for other operating systems but they are just toys. GrapheneOS does amazing work that is a 100% alternative today, for real phones with normal prices, good performance and outstanding security.

[–] TheAnonymouseJoker@lemmy.ml 5 points 9 months ago (8 children)

This comment is GrapheneOS propaganda making its way into Lemmy. Ban these 4chan tier advertisers.

AOSP with rebranded features is not doing anything over AOSP or LineageOS.

  • Every app on Android is sandboxed
  • there is no immutability thing with Android
  • WebView already runs sandboxed by default on Android in general
  • energy saving is dependent on phone chips and not this scam Android distro
  • closed source hardware is the same as Intel ME/AMD PSP and not a "trusted element"
  • Android is unified, there is nothing unique about this scam distro

GrapheneOS is pure snake oil with a disgusting sole developer that believes in pushing corporate Big Tech propaganda, harassing and witch hunting any critics, having a little social media army with sockpuppets to do this, abuses mentally challenged by hiding behind "autism" label (Louis Rossmann has a nice video), falsely claims he was swatted without giving evidence or coverage in local Canadian media and blames everyone from redditors to community mods to YouTubers and so on.

I covered this disease for about 5 years, and it emanates from the same sewer that "security" clowns like Brad Spengler and madaidan do in Linux community. All they do is either push their bullshit solutions or push corporate Big Tech propaganda and hate any FOSS project they think will not worship them.

https://old.reddit.com/r/privatelife/comments/ug9qnc/writeup_criticism_of_rprivacyguides_grapheneos/

https://old.reddit.com/r/privatelife/comments/13teoo9/grapheneos_corporate_foss_loving_witch_hunting/

[–] dragnet@lemmy.dbzer0.com 3 points 9 months ago (1 children)

Almost everything you said here is false, with the exception of controversy over the developer. However, GrapeheneOS is far from a single developer project, and the former lead stepped down a little while ago.

[–] TheAnonymouseJoker@lemmy.ml -1 points 9 months ago* (last edited 9 months ago) (2 children)

Well, I do not know, I just back up things with a bunch of quoting and hard evidence, and on top of it I am pretty self-critical as a leftist, so I feel fairly confident in my takes.

"Stepped down" is a big fat lie if anyone bothered to look at GitHub for GrapheneOS project, with just one person pushing commits to the project. From what I showed with DivestOS developer bullying incident, it is also proven that this is not a truly open source project, but one licensed depending on Micay's personal whims. There is no freedom in his code licensing and can go ahead to do shitty things like falsely accusing FlorisBoard and Bromite devs of being neonazis on GitHub issue trackers.

Edit: since this clown calls me "misinformation" spreader and asks for evidence, it is easy to look at one of the two long investigation articles I wrote, in which in share DivestOS XMPP room chat logs with Micay bullying DivestOS dev into banning me otherwise he will initiate a harassment campaign on social media against him. Similar stuff was done (calling neonazi in issue tracker) against Bromite project that used what should be open sourced code, but is not.

[–] scratchandgame@lemmy.ml 1 points 9 months ago* (last edited 9 months ago)

There is no freedom in his code licensing

Evidence required.

Most of them grant infinite freedom, with one requirement. (Not restrictive like *GPL.)

Others like vanadium are restrictive under GPL

https://github.com/GrapheneOS/hardened_malloc/commit/c3a580727a9a844da05ae4e2787a937253b09427

You guys should not listen to TheAnonymouseJoker, this is the evidence of him spreading misinformation.

(Please note I'm not in GrapheneOS community (banned), nor putting myself in the class of privacy racers.)

[–] scratchandgame@lemmy.ml 0 points 9 months ago* (last edited 9 months ago)

Edit: since this clown calls me “misinformation” spreader and asks for evidence, it is easy to look at one of the two long investigation articles I wrote, in which in share DivestOS XMPP room chat logs with Micay bullying DivestOS dev into banning me otherwise he will initiate a harassment campaign on social media against him.

Don't think that's related

Similar stuff was done (calling neonazi in issue tracker) against Bromite project that used what should be open sourced code, but is not.

https://twitter.com/GrapheneOS/status/1537851090514890752

That's personal emotion against bromite and lead to unacceptable wording. But Micay can't force others to remove their code if they do not violate it. nevertheless, Vanadium code is free in Linux communities' opinion, right?? (I'd not consider that since it is GPL)

simply: The license of vanadium is still gpl and is it free in your opinion?

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