My argument isn't that Russians want good things, but that many people who lived under systems that can be considered Socialist absolutely do want them back. Of course the Ukranian war is unjustified, but that doesn't mean that we can make up ideas about what people living in now-Capitalist states believe.

Again, this is the Somalia argument. You can find people in Capitalist nations that hate it too, does that nullify your point?

[–] Unpigged@lemmy.dbzer0.com 2 points 9 months ago (4 children)

Ok let's try to revisit it again. Of all the countries that freed themselves of a Soviet dictatorship literally zero want back, or are building 'socialist' economies. How about taking their experience as a measure?

Full disclosure, I'm living in a Western social democratic nation and am horrified by the capitalist and/or neoliberal ideologies. I am of a strong belief that neither of opposite ends of political philosophies bring good and prosperity for ordinary people.

[–] Cowbee@lemmy.ml -1 points 9 months ago (3 children)

Many do want the USSR back, because it was generally a better organization of the economy than what Capitalism and in some cases fascism has done for these countries. People who lived farther from Moscow had it far worse under the USSR, of course, but the people legitimately seem to have more of a longing for the USSR than anything else.

If approval rating was anything to go by alone though, then we could say Mao, Putin, and Kim Jong Un were some of the most successful leaders in history, and I don't think either of us are saying that.

My point is firmly against the idea that Socialism is bad because many people who lived in one form of Socialism hated it, that's an incomplete logical chain.

For what it's worth, I'm firmly pro-Socialist, just not pro-USSR. I firmly believe that workers should own and control the Means of Production.

[–] Maeve@kbin.social 1 points 9 months ago

Does Cuba not exist?

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