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[–] AllonzeeLV@lemmy.world 56 points 8 months ago* (last edited 8 months ago) (18 children)

How much evidence is it going to take to prove to you that these capitalists are nothing but scammers, no harder working or more competent than anyone else?

Those morons in DC were storming the offices of the scammer's paid middle managers. Wall Street and it's associated towers of corporate lies and exploitation are what need to be destroyed.

All Capitalists Are Bastards. Cops want to bully you, but the capitalists siphon the very blood from our collective veins and call it good business.

Occupy had the right location. They just needed to be far more militant.

[–] IrateAnteater@sh.itjust.works 14 points 8 months ago (8 children)

They also needed to have some sort of coherent message. Most could barely articulate why they were there, and what they wanted.

I also wish that people would start actually presenting some actionable alternatives. And not high concept, "we should strive to do x" alternatives, but actual "we can start implementing this change tomorrow" type things. I'm getting tired of hearing from all sides that everything is fucked. I know everything is fucked. What is the plan to fix it? And no, "burn it all down and start over" isn't a plan. That's a tantrum.

[–] Kellamity@sh.itjust.works 7 points 8 months ago

I think Occupy was really interesting, and part of the reason was the lack of a clear and actionable message

I fully agree that the best and most effective protest movements are those with clear goals and demands, and Occupy wasn't that

What it managed to do really effectively was bring all kinds of people and ideologies together - there were the active leftists and anarchists, but also liberals and the middle class and all sorts. I've read articles and accounts that talk of just every kind of person spending time in that main/original camp, and it spawned a lot of similar events here in the UK

Ultimately it had the same kind of energy as the 'If you want it, war is over' billboards of the late 60s. And absolutely thats frustrating from an activist p.o.v

But on the other hand, it did in a lot of ways shift public perspective. I'd stop short of saying it changed the paradigm, but it definitely contributed to an anti-neoliberal, anti-free-market normalization

So yeah, idk. It didn't really achieve anything; the issues it tried to tackle are still omni-present. But maybe it did do something in some hard to quantify, nebulous ways. Its interesting at least 🤷‍♀️

But yeah really not a blueprint of an effective protest in a majority of ways

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