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There are quite a few choices of brands when it comes to purchasing harddisks or ssd, but which one do you find the most reliable one? Personally had great experiences with SeaGate, but heard ChrisTitus had the opposite experience with them.

So curious to what manufacturers people here swear to and why? Which ones do you have the worst experience with?

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[–] BigMikeInAustin@lemmy.world 2 points 8 months ago (10 children)

In general and simplifying, my understanding is:

There is the area where data is written, and there is the File Allocation Table that keeps track of where files are placed.

When part of a file needs to be overwritten (either because it inserted or there is new data) the data is really written to a new area and the old data is left as is. The File Allocation Table is updated to point to the new area.

Eventually, as the disk gets used, that new area eventually comes back to a space that was previously written to, but is not being used. And that data gets physically overwritten.

Each time a spot is physically overwritten, it very very slightly degrades.

With a larger disk, it takes longer to come back to a spot that has already been written to.

Oversimplifying, previously written data that is no longer part of a file is effectively lost, in the way that shredding a paper effectively loses whatever is written, and in a more secure way than as happens in a spinning disk.

[–] teawrecks@sopuli.xyz 2 points 8 months ago (6 children)

Afaik, the wear and tear on SSDs these days is handled under the hood by the firmware.

Concepts like Files and FATs and Copy-on-Write are format-specific. I believe that even if a filesystem were to deliberately write to the same location repeatedly to intentionally degrade an SSD, the firmware will intelligently shift its block mapping around under the hood so as to spread out the wear. If the SSD detects a block is producing errors (bad parity bits), it will mark it as bad and map in a new block. To the filesystem, there's still perfectly good storage at that address, albeit with a potential one-off read error.

The larger sizes SSD just gives the firmware more extra blocks to pull from.

[–] skittlebrau@lemmy.world 1 points 8 months ago* (last edited 8 months ago) (3 children)

Does that mean that manually attempting to overprovision SSDs isn’t necessary for maximising endurance? Eg. partition a 1TB SSD as 500GB.

[–] teawrecks@sopuli.xyz 1 points 8 months ago

As the other person said, I don't think the SSD knows about partitions or makes any assumptions based on partitioning, it just knows if you've written data to a certain location, and it could be smart enough to know how often you're writing data to that location. So if you keep writing data to a single location, it could decide to logically remap that location in logical memory to different physical memory so that you don't wear it out.

I say "could" because it really depends on the vendor. This is where one brand could be smart and spend the time writing smart software to extend the life of their drive, while another could cheap out and skip straight to selling you a drive that will die sooner.

It's also worth noting that drives have an unreported space of "spare sectors" that it can use if it detects one has gone bad. I don't know if you can see the total remaining spare sectors, but it typically scales with the size of a drive. You can at least see how many bad sectors have been reallocated using S.M.A.R.T.

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