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[–] const_void@lemmy.ml -1 points 8 months ago (16 children)

I've never understood how this is good for Linux. Why is having more users so important?

[–] markus99@lemmy.world 38 points 8 months ago (1 children)

More users means there is more interest from private companies to reach these users and to port their software/products to Linux. Ie Adobe, Games, AutoCAD Suit, etc.

[–] const_void@lemmy.ml -5 points 8 months ago* (last edited 8 months ago) (6 children)

But why do we want more proprietary software running on Linux? Wouldn't we be recreating the same situation that Windows has?

Edit: Why downvote me instead of replying with a reason why I'm "wrong" or discussing further? Is Lemmy turning into Reddit already?

[–] Cowbee@lemmy.ml 26 points 8 months ago (1 children)

There's also more chances of FOSS being developed for Linux if more people use it. FOSS is better the more popular it gets.

[–] const_void@lemmy.ml 2 points 8 months ago (2 children)

This seems like wishful thinking to me. Is there any data that supports that with more users comes more FOSS developers?

[–] Cowbee@lemmy.ml 16 points 8 months ago

I'm not sure you need data to understand that if more people use a product, there's a greater chance someone will develop FOSS for it, as FOSS developers tend to also be users.

[–] jollyrogue@lemmy.ml 6 points 8 months ago (1 children)

Bigger platforms attract more devs.

The BSDs don’t have the dev resources of Linux simply because Linux has a much larger install base.

[–] scratchandgame@lemmy.ml 1 points 8 months ago* (last edited 8 months ago) (1 children)

The BSDs don’t have the dev resources of Linux simply because Linux has a much larger install base.

Really?

I don't think OpenBSD is as funded as Debian but it could maintain software like OpenSSH (even the portable version for Linux and Windows); LibreSSL (still not much used, but funded because of this), OpenSMTPD.

But OpenBSD can maintain its ports which in my opinion is relatively large (no update for -release, sorry :) ). And base. For so many hardware platform. Even VAX until 6.9

[–] jollyrogue@lemmy.ml 1 points 8 months ago

Yeah, really. OpenBSD punches above its weight. There are many things they would like todo, but don’t have the resources.

[–] MajorHavoc@programming.dev 15 points 8 months ago

But why do we want more proprietary software running on Linux?

You're right, there's downsides for the FOSS community, but it's much better for many individuals.

Usability, accessibility and privacy for a user is better when any proprietary software, that they cannot avoid, can at least run relatively sandboxed inside an OS they have control over.

Wouldn't we be recreating the same situation that Windows has?

Good point, but thankfully, an open OS mitigates these issues a great deal.

[–] jollyrogue@lemmy.ml 9 points 8 months ago

Proprietary software is one of the last anchors holding people to Windows or macOS.

Ideally, people would switch to FOSS alternatives on a FOSS OS, but proprietary software on top of a FOSS OS is better than FOSS software on a proprietary OS.

Also, people are going to charge for software in some form or fashion. The economic model would need to change in order to allow people to develop software without any economic motives.

[–] Theharpyeagle@lemmy.world 7 points 8 months ago

The difference is that, with a base FOSS OS, you're not locked in to an flavor you don't like. Dislike the way Ubuntu is headed? Switch to Debian, Pop, or Mint and use the same exact programs you're used to. If you dislike Windows 11, you've only got a few years before you're forced to switch to it. Makes it much easier for them to force shitty decisions.

More adoption of Linux also means more incentive for FOSS projects to support it. Yes, it also means more proprietary software, but the truth is that most people don't care what kind of software they use as long as it works for them. At least Linux can't become beholden to the demands of that software.

[–] Fubarberry@sopuli.xyz 4 points 8 months ago

People don't like frequently dual-booting or switching operating systems. If someone needs a specific program for work, and that program only works on windows, chances are they will only use windows.

Many people have to use proprietary software at work, which means most computers for work have to run windows. If linux can get enough marketshare to get support for the necessary programs that people have to use, that will free them up to not use windows at all.

[–] shrugal@lemm.ee 3 points 8 months ago* (last edited 8 months ago)

But why do we want more proprietary software running on Linux?

Because it's what reality looks like right now. Everything FOSS would be ideal, but it's probably not going to happen for a looooong time. In the meantime more software is always good, and it also means more FOSS software you can choose as an alternative.

Wouldn't we be recreating the same situation that Windows has?

No, because the base OS is still open, so you have choices that you don't have under Windows.

Why downvote me instead of replying with a reason why I'm "wrong" or discussing further?

Tbh it sounds a bit disingenuous when you say that you don't understand such a basic thing. It should be pretty obvious that more users means more interest from devs+companies and more support for the platform.

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