Spoken like a real android user. All my iPhone friends (and especially family) refuse to download any other app, they just complain that I physically can't download iChat.

[–] hector@sh.itjust.works 20 points 8 months ago (12 children)

As an iPhone user, iChat is mid. I think it’s only in the Us that it is widely used.

Embrace the beauty of Signal now

[–] JohnDoe@lemmy.myserv.one 3 points 8 months ago (11 children)

I use signal as well, might be worth looking into these two links to better manage expectations.

First here and second here.

Related post by Matrix here

[–] LWD@lemm.ee 4 points 8 months ago* (last edited 8 months ago) (1 children)

Kind of ironic considering that with Matrix...

Forward secrecy is kinda hosed
they store metadata permanently on their servers by design
A ton of stuff that would otherwise be invisible and signal is visible in your Matrix homeserver, including permanent history of all group membership
Your data does not belong to you, and that's how the server is built to treat it, e.g.
GDPR deletion is nonexistent (it won't delete your username or your messages, making it less effective than on Discord, let alone Signal)

... Etc.

Ironically, older federated messaging systems like XMPP might be better by coincidence. Message archiving was an optional addition and some servers, such as the popular Riseup one, do not implement it.

[–] JohnDoe@lemmy.myserv.one 2 points 8 months ago* (last edited 8 months ago) (1 children)

Yeah, fair. It can't delete your messages to the extent a centralized system, and that's an indication of the lack of centralized control? It's a different threat model I think many find satisfying (though perhaps not most).

[–] LWD@lemm.ee 2 points 8 months ago (1 children)

All those points are about how one server communicates with itself. Federation doesn't factor into it

[–] JohnDoe@lemmy.myserv.one 1 points 8 months ago

huh, yeah that's fair i did not actually notice that :/

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