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[–] BearOfaTime@lemm.ee 78 points 8 months ago* (last edited 8 months ago) (25 children)

"eyes on going public"

Well, there's the death knell. Not that it was awesome to begin with, just a stepping stone to get people away from WhatsApp.

Come on Signal, SimpleX, XMPP!

I struggle to understand why XMPP isn't the de facto messaging standard around the world, I was using it on my first Android phone in 2009, 15 years ago - and was able to seamlessly message people on computers even then. Granted it was hell on battery back then.

[–] soulfirethewolf@lemdro.id 10 points 8 months ago (1 children)

Personally with XMPP, I think it's right now because of the lack of decent looking clients (especially on iOS), as well as a lot of the same friction that people have suffered with mastodon.

Also, Signal is built towards a completely different audience that places privacy first over modern messaging features (things like API's, sending messages through voice assistants, etc.). And for SimpleX, I'm not really sure if sharing a QR code/link with someone else is the best route to go in UX just to message a friend

[–] BearOfaTime@lemm.ee 1 points 8 months ago

Agreed on all points.

I really, really appreciate what Signal is doing, and used it for a while, had some success converting people, then they dropped SMS support. That killed any ability to get more converts, and existing users left. I keep it around as a fallback for exactly 2 people.

The UI part of this problem is massive, especially initial setup. It's why SMS is still primary in the US - people can't be bothered. It's so frustrating.

It's also why I'm looking to host my own, with SimpleX in the lead (for now). Since I'll manage it, I can mitigate that setup/management pain somewhat (at least for family and close friends). Perhaps that's the way to get the onto something else. I'm also hoping SimpleX will continue to improve the user experience, especially around multiple devices.

I'm still considering messengers, and it'll be probably end of the year before I do anything.

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