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They’re about 20 years too late to be doing that. Current clever-person play is to learn a solid manual trade, build good relationships with people in your community, make sure you’re directly connected to where the food comes from, travel if you can and make sure you’re familiar and have connections in a few different places in the world.
People who are today getting into CS and going into debt to get a Bachelor’s in it are in for a rude rude awakening if they observed that that would be the ticket to a comfortable life.
I want solid data to back up your bull
Getting a college degree is one of the best investments you can make even if you pick the lowest on return on investment degrees. Go check the billion department of labor studies on this.
Manual trades mean back problems at 40. It's strictly better than unskilled labor in terms of salary but it ain't going to last.
I don't need to hangout by fucking farms. I can got to the store thank you, like a normal person. Have fun cosplaying as a hippie on some hobby farm.
Anecdotal, but my brother does tree maintenance. His minimum callout fee for a day's work is $2,000. And he often earns more than double that for one day's work. He does have relatively high costs, but his income is way better than what I earn writing code.
We're both at the stage in our career where it's time to stop being an employee and start running our own company and believe me, his company is more successful than mine. Early days still but my money's on him earning seven figures per year very soon.
He's so much more successful than that if my business fails, there's a good chance I will end up working for him. I'd be on minimum wage for several years while I learn the trade but I think it might be worth it long term and I can eventually pull my connections (the boss being my brother) and get promoted to being a manager with a cushy job driving a company car between job sites.
Sounds about right.
Tree work is dangerous, be careful with yourself. There's a tiny, tiny voice that warns you when you're about to do something dumb. It only sounds for a second, small and faint, and then it disappears. Learn to seize and amplify it, come to a complete stop and listen, and then adjust what you're doing, instead of continuing on "it'll probably be fine."
Oh I know that voice!
It was the one that told me to "stop torquing now!" When I ended up breaking a crossed bolt off in an awkward blind spot on the side of my engine....so now the VTT solenoid is held in by a little epoxy. Because otherwise the engine would have to be removed and a machinist would likely need to just destroy and rethread that thing.
Oh, the shame...
No I'm not a mechanic, I'm just not "pay a mechanic $600 to install a $40 part" rich. :D
But this is exactly why I won't get into something like electricianship or other dangerous stuff. ADHD sometimes just squelches that little voice and I'm left asking myself why I did something so stupid and wishing I could go back 10 seconds.
If the consequences were life or death? Yeah no way I don't need a sudden brain-lapse killing/maiming me or someone else.