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[–] Tetra@kbin.social 28 points 11 months ago (15 children)

Idk what's the exact purpose of this meme but I really do see a lot of similarities between God creating the world and simulation theory. Obviously ST and religion are wildly different in their impact on society and how many people genuinely believe in them, but ST is pretty silly too.

It's just a "what if" scenario, one that's potentially possible but wouldn't change or explain anything if it was true. All you're doing is moving the existential problems up a layer and forgetting about it, it's the same as saying God made us: at the end of the day both the beings in charge of the simulation AND God have to come from somewhere, they live in a "real" universe, and you're not explaining that.

Why can't it be that we simply live in a real universe? That's the simplest answer, the one that requires the fewest assumptions. It doesn't have a convenient, satisfying reason as to why we're here, or how reality came to be, but it's easily the most plausible.

[–] m0darn@lemmy.ca 5 points 11 months ago (12 children)

Why can't it be that we simply live in a real universe? That's the simplest answer, the one that requires the fewest assumptions.

The argument goes that: a sufficiently technologically advanced society would run ancestor simulations. Those simulations may also run simulations. There's no ceiling on the number of nesting simulations. It's the height of conceit to think we're the top level when there are squillions of simulated universe.

https://www.smbc-comics.com/?id=2535

[–] Tetra@kbin.social 5 points 11 months ago* (last edited 11 months ago) (4 children)

"there are squillions of simulated universe."

Huge assumption there lol, but I guess I see your point. If you assume simulations of this scope and quality are possible (again HUGE assumption), then your odds of being in one go up a lot, obviously.

Again though, at some point you have to hit actual, non simulated reality, and when everything seems to point towards that being the case for us, and absolutely nothing hints at a simulation, I don't see why we couldn't just be in that actual reality. I can't help but see that thought experiment as just an attempt to answer "the big question" in some way, even though in actuality it just moves it out of view.

It's Russell's teapot, impossible to disprove and theorically possible, but there's nothing backing it up besides fantastical assumptions. In that regard yeah, I think the comparison with God is warranted. The creators of our simulation, and especially the ones up above that are actually real would need such absurd levels of technology so far beyond our comprehension that it would be magic to us, and they would absolutely be our Gods.

I don't see much of a difference, it's kind of just a tech themed spin on it, with the same fallacies plaguing the whole concept, IMO. It's cool to think and write scifi about, but that's about it.

[–] m0darn@lemmy.ca 0 points 11 months ago (1 children)

Huge assumption there lol, but I guess I see your point.

It's not an assumption, it's a conclusion based on the premises laid out in the previous sentences.

Everything seems to point towards that being the case for us, and absolutely nothing hints at a simulation

Maximum speed, minimum length, light is only a particle when we're looking at it....

Like there are other things that definitely point away from it being a simulation (eg gravity waves). But there's not nothing pointing towards simulation.

[–] robotica@lemmy.world 2 points 11 months ago (1 children)

Lmao why would gravity waves point away from the universe being a simulation? Also you put a comic strip as your source, you have less than zero credibility in anything.

[–] m0darn@lemmy.ca 0 points 11 months ago

Lmao why would gravity waves point away from the universe being a simulation?

Sorry what I meant is miniscule gravitational forces across billions of light years.

Because of the ridiculous cost of calculating the force of gravity between every water molecule on neptune and carbon atom on exoplanet xjwhatever. Gravity waves suggest this is actually happening.

Also you put a comic strip as your source, you have less than zero credibility in anything.

What community are we in? I don't actually believe simulation theory... it's a concise explanation.

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