In the US you can deduct the mortgage interest, which is even more of a benefit for the wealthy than the mortgage as a whole would be since the deduction decreases the longer someone stays in a home.

Social security being a flat percentage with a cap is also a form of class war.

[–] qjkxbmwvz@startrek.website -1 points 7 months ago* (last edited 7 months ago) (2 children)

Not sure I get why social security being flat with a cap benefits one class over the other.

Sure, once I meet the max contribution then my withholding goes down and my take home increases. But anything in excess of the max contribution doesn't affect social security payouts after retirement

if you put in more, you get out more, and if you're capped in your contributions then you're also capped in your withdrawals.

Is it a paternalistic program? Sure, it's essentially a forced retirement plan. Its implementation isn't perfect, but I'm not sure I'd call it class warfare.

[–] snooggums@midwest.social 5 points 7 months ago (1 children)

When wealth is concentrated because wages don't increase with productivity, the wealthy are paying less than their fair share of taxes to society with a flat percentage that has a cap.

Look at it this way, if there is 1 million dollars taxed at 3% and there is no cap it doesn't matter who gets what, $30k total is collected. If there is a 100k cap and one person takes in 500k and 10 people take in 50k in income apiece then only $9k is collected and the one taking in 500k is putting in the same amount as everyone else. They are also less in need for social security retirement savings because they can easily squirrel away more in savings.

[–] qjkxbmwvz@startrek.website -2 points 7 months ago

Yes, the taxation is regressive, but the benefits are progressive. E.g.,

According to the non-partisan Congressional Budget Office, for people in the bottom fifth of the earnings distribution, the ratio of benefits to taxes is almost three times as high as it is for those in the top fifth.

( https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Social_Security_(United_States) )

It's certainly not a perfect system, but personally I think it has some merit. And it's by far not the worst aspect of USA tax structure (in my opinion).

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