Evidently women still have many issues coming from male dominant culture formed before the industrial revolution, there has been good progress but there's still a long path ahead.

Yes, that's true.

Men have issues coming from cultural norms too. imo the biggest hindrance for men at the moment is not nearly enough people talk about men's mental health.

True.

Promoting solutions for women doesn't mean ignoring men's issues. Promoting awareness to men's issues is not against women's interests.

Yes. That's why the most prominent men's rights activists are also women rights activists.

When someone is promoting progress, let's not jump to "there are bigger problems elsewhere"

That's not what's happening here.

If you want to promote change via debate, being aggressive is the worst strategy. Why not say "hey, I hear your argument for women, and on this note I'd also like to raise this other related subject about men's issues."

The problem is that they brought up men's rights issues in the most passive aggressive snarky way possible while hyper-generalizing and hypersimplifying it.

[–] Shampiss@sh.itjust.works 3 points 7 months ago* (last edited 7 months ago) (2 children)

I understand that you're angry. Sure the initial comment was slightly snarky, and yes, a lot of frustration is caused by a large lack of willingness to address men's issues.

But I'd just like you to find out what you want to achieve with your commentary.

If your objective was to raise an argument and change someone's mind, then starting a conversation with

Stop pretending you know jack shit

And

STFU about your cope bullshit Will never convince anyone

If you just wanted to express your anger, then I think it's unjustified to direct it so intensely to the initial comment. The intensity does not match the casual tone of the comment and it's uncalled for.

Maybe you just wanted to spend some idle time by commenting on posts. Sure that's fair, but considering the stress you put into this I'd say that's probably a net loss for your mood

That's not what's happening here

Sorry if I misunderstood that. But your tone did not help with my understanding of your point

The problem is that they brought up men's rights issues in the most passive aggressive snarky way

Sure I agree that the initial comment deserves some correction, but You will never get your point across by insulting someone. often to convince someone you should talk to them like they're your friend. I know the insults might come more naturally than friendship, but respect is what effectively causes change.

I'm just suggesting you use your energy and patience more efficiently

I enjoyed this conversation, and hope you did too. Cheers

[–] Rustmilian@lemmy.world 4 points 7 months ago* (last edited 7 months ago) (1 children)

You bring up good points, and you're right. I acted irrationally out of anger.
The insensitivity of the way she presented men's issues... Tbh, it hurt me and it came out as intense anger that clouded my judgement and muddied the point I was trying to get across.
In retrospect, I should've handled it better and voiced my frustration more clearly and (much) less offensively. Sorry I blew up like that.
Thank you for your understanding and consideration. You're quite kind hearted & empathetic, and have restored some of the little faith I have left in humanity. You keep on being you, you're wonderful.

[–] Shampiss@sh.itjust.works 4 points 7 months ago

Great to know that you can recognize your imperfections. I'm sure you have a good character. And i'm glad you're feeling better. Cheers!

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