Sounds like you know more about encryption than I do, I would hope they can do that but I still think a full off switch for users would be wise though.

[–] dracs@programming.dev 7 points 6 months ago (6 children)

Yeah, end to end encryption means its not possible for someone to intercept the message between person A and person B. Nothing stops person B then forwarding the message to person C to report it.

[–] nondescripthandle@lemmy.dbzer0.com 2 points 6 months ago* (last edited 6 months ago) (5 children)

Yeah as long as theres an (practically) unfalsifiable way to forward the message that sounds very useful, which sounds like there is based on the response to my first comment.

[–] dracs@programming.dev 3 points 6 months ago (1 children)

Typically end to end encryption includes digital signing of the message so you can verify who the sender was.

[–] chiisana@lemmy.chiisana.net 2 points 6 months ago* (last edited 6 months ago) (2 children)

Been forever since I did any work with cryptography, but if my memory is correct:

Alice needs Bob’s public key to verify a signed message from Bob haven’t been altered;

Bob needs Alice’s public key to encrypt a message that can only be decrypted by Alice;

If Bob sends Alice a message encrypted with Alice’s public key, signed with Bob’s private key, containing “Hello, how are you?” ; this message could be verified as authentic by Charlie using Bob’s public key but Charlie cannot see the contents of the message as Charlie does not have Alice’s private key.

Without Alice disclosing their private key, how can Charlie review the content of a reported message from Alice claiming Bob sent them something inappropriate?

I.e. how can Charlie be certain if Alice claims Bob sent “cats are evil” when Charlie cannot decrypt the original message, only verify the original message have not been altered via Bob’s public key.

[–] chiisana@lemmy.chiisana.net 2 points 6 months ago

Aha! Something just clicked — been thinking continuously since before the original reply. The answer is … more signing and maybe even more keys!

A message would be signed multiple times.

If Bob wants to send Alice “Hello, how are you?” the plain text would be signed with Bob’s general private key that could be verified with Bob’s general public key. This would allow Alice to forward this message to anyone while they could still verify it did indeed came from Bob.

The plain text and signature is then encrypted with one of Alice’s public keys, so only Alice could decrypt it to see the message and signature. This may be a thread specific key pair for Alice so they’re not re-using same keys between different threads.

The encrypted message is then again signed by Bob, using one of Bob’s private key, so that Alice can know the encrypted message has not been altered. This here could also be the thread specific key as noted above.

If Alice were to report Bob, Alice will need to include both the plaintext and the internal signature. This way the internally signed message could be reviewed if the plaintext and signature were forwarded to moderation for review by Charlie (just need to verify the signature against plaintext with Bob’s public key), while the exchange should be secure to only Alice and Bob.

Et voila!

[–] dracs@programming.dev 2 points 6 months ago (1 children)

It's been a while since I've had to touch it too. But couldn't Alice provide Charlie with both the plain text and her public key. Charlie could then encrypt the text and see it came out the same as blob Bob sent Alice?

[–] chiisana@lemmy.chiisana.net 1 points 6 months ago

I think this might work, I haven’t done it for too long to know for certain if two same plain text encrypted with two same public key would yield two identical encrypted blobs.

I’ve self replied another possible implementation, that I’m pretty proud of figuring out literally 1AM. If you have time, please do give it a glance and see if you can spot any weakness.

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