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[–] FireTower@lemmy.world 35 points 11 months ago* (last edited 11 months ago) (40 children)

Nuclear power is good for its consistent output that is independent of outside factors like wind, clouds, or drought. Plus much of the cost of nuclear is tied with the construction of the plant not the operating costs, so a paid off plant isn't particularly expensive.

[–] frezik@midwest.social 13 points 11 months ago (25 children)

That consistent output isn't as useful as you think. Solar and wind are ridiculously cheap, so we would want to use them when they're available. That means winding down nuclear plants when those two spin up. I'm turn, that means those initial construction costs you mentioned aren't being efficiently ammortized over the entire life of the plant.

What we can do instead is take historical sun and wind data for a given region, calculate where the biggest trough will be, and then build enough storage capacity to cover it. Even better, aim for 95% coverage in the next few years, with the rest taken up by existing natural gas. There's some non-linear factors involved where getting to 100% is a lot harder than 95%.

[–] GabberPiet@lemmy.world 5 points 10 months ago (13 children)

The problem is that there are currently no good (cheap, scalable) technologies to store these large amounts of electrical energy.

[–] iknowitwheniseeit@lemmynsfw.com 3 points 10 months ago (1 children)

Pumped hydro works well for storage, although it basically has the same problem as hydro power - it's only available in places with water and elevation changes.

[–] Justas@sh.itjust.works 4 points 10 months ago (2 children)

Yes, but an elevation change of 100 meters is enough for one: The one near me for example

[–] iknowitwheniseeit@lemmynsfw.com 3 points 10 months ago

Interesting! Still way too much elevation needed to be useful for us in Holland though. 😆

[–] wikibot@lemmy.world 2 points 10 months ago

Here's the summary for the wikipedia article you mentioned in your comment:

Kruonis Pumped Storage Plant (the KPSP) is located near Kruonis, Lithuania, 34 km (21 mi) east of Kaunas. Its main purpose is to provide grid energy storage. It operates in conjunction with the Kaunas Hydroelectric Power Plant. During periods of low demand, usually at night, Kruonis PSHP raises water from the lower Kaunas reservoir to the upper one using cheap surplus energy. The station is designed to have an installed capacity of 1,600 MW but only four 225 MW generators are currently operational. With a fully filled upper reservoir the plant can generate 900 MW for about 12 hours. The KPSP uses hydro-resources of artificial water pools existing at different geographical levels. The electricity from this power plant is supplied to a 330 kV electricity line to Elektrėnai, where the largest fossil fuel plant in Lithuania is operating, and Kaunas. During a surplus of electricity generation, the KPSP uses the surplus electricity to pump water from the lower pool to the upper pool. During an electricity output deficit, the Kruonis PSP operates as a regular hydro power plant, letting water flow from the upper pool to the lower pool to generate additional electricity. With a fully filled upper reservoir the plant can generate 900 MW for about 12 hours. Kruonis Plant is the only pumped-storage station in the Baltic states.The Kruonis PSP Industrial Park and Kruonis Technology Park were created as the location, infrastructure and low electricity price are attractive for data centers.A neighbourhood for workers of the Kruonis pumped storage plant plant was built in the 1980s and early 1990s in Elektrėnai, expanding this city of specialists in energetics by area and inhabitants roughly twice.

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