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[–] megane_kun@lemmy.dbzer0.com 12 points 6 months ago (25 children)

.... I actually use Arch. Sorry.

But really, I would have gone with EndeavourOS (instead of Arch) if it were not for my friend who really strongly advocated for Arch (even installing it for me—or rather, converting my Manjaro install into an Arch one).

If I've had any regrets in my Linux journey, it's choosing Manjaro instead of EndeavourOS as my introduction to Arch-based distros.

[–] Allero@lemmy.today 4 points 6 months ago (16 children)

Arch people REALLY hate Manjaro

-happy Manjaro user

[–] sleepyTonia@programming.dev 5 points 6 months ago* (last edited 6 months ago) (14 children)

And in my case, I kinda don't like Endeavour OS. I installed it on my laptop to try it out a couple months ago. It looked to me like a convenient no nonsense installer for Arch with some nice defaults, then you stumble on their custom update/mirror manager nonsense. Then you want to use a printer and realize they left CUPS disabled, as if to give you an "excuse" to use systemctl. Then if you want to use Samba, you need to go out of your way to find a default config file. I've had to jump through more hoops and dealt with more quirky nonsense than with Manjaro stable on that distro.

It's like it doesn't know who this is meant for. People who want their hand held through a GUI for something basic as updating their system, or people who love writing their own config file for everything.

Might as well install Arch, really.

-Other happy Manjaro user

[–] Allero@lemmy.today 4 points 6 months ago (2 children)

Exactly! That is my neverending conundrum with people going for Endeavour.

Like, why not Arch at this point?

Thanks for your voice!

[–] Samueru@lemmy.ml 4 points 6 months ago* (last edited 6 months ago) (1 children)

Also endeavour is not really arch with a graphical installer, or that is what I've seen at least.

I tried to help someone once that installed endevouros and for some reason their kernel parameters were being overwritten every time they updated, turns out that was an issue because endeavour installed dracut instead of mkinitcpio by default? I don't know wtf was that. They ended up switching to arch after that lol.

Also their /efi directory was set as read-only to the root user, meaning that to even see if their kernel parameters were there they needed sudo lol

[–] PolarisFx@lemmy.dbzer0.com 3 points 6 months ago (1 children)

I just switched to Endeavour from Manjaro when I upgraded my hardware, and every update changes the default kernel on the selection screen. I go in and edit the file to change the default from lts to the latest kernel, and the next update switches it right back. It's maddening, i could do Arch, and I've done it on other machines I just don't have the time for that level of customization. I already waste enough time tinkering.

[–] Samueru@lemmy.ml 2 points 6 months ago* (last edited 6 months ago) (2 children)

You should be able to just switch mirrors, default apps and switch to arch while on endevour.

I know you can switch from arch to artix which is a lot more stuff being replaced, so it should be much simpler to switch from endevour to arch.

[–] PolarisFx@lemmy.dbzer0.com 2 points 6 months ago (1 children)

I thought Endeavour was just Arch with an installer. Conversion is as simple as swapping repos and removing the eos-hooks package apparently, and depending who you ask: cleansing systemd from your system.

[–] LeFantome@programming.dev 1 points 6 months ago (1 children)

Arch uses systemd. Do you mean going back to GRUB from systemd-boot?

[–] PolarisFx@lemmy.dbzer0.com 1 points 6 months ago

Yea, half the conversion guides I read yesterday mentioned reinstalling grub, I don't dislike systemd boot personally but I just thought it was funny

[–] LeFantome@programming.dev 1 points 6 months ago

You do not have to switch mirrors. EOS uses the Arch repos.

If you uninstall eos-hooks, it will even start reporting as Arch.

[–] CuttingBoard@sopuli.xyz 2 points 6 months ago (1 children)

I would rather have arco over endeavour.

[–] Allero@lemmy.today 3 points 6 months ago* (last edited 6 months ago)

Same

But Manjaro is king

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