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[–] SnotFlickerman@lemmy.blahaj.zone 178 points 10 months ago* (last edited 10 months ago) (29 children)

This part is crazy.... What's really nuts is everyone was saying this was what RTO was all about, was actually forcing their most expensive employees (who are probably also their most valuable????) to quit. They don't want workers who know their value. It's wild how the rich are so transparent and barely even try to mask it anymore.

Amazon won’t fire me

On September 1st, 2023 I was told by my skip level manager and VP that my team and an adjacent team were being eliminated. They claimed we all did such good work that they wanted us to remain at Amazon. “We still have a job, just not a role.”

I was skeptical of how it was communicated–or rather not communicated–by management and I asked if severance was an option. I was repeatedly told it would be once we’d exhausted other options.

They told us our number one priority was to find another job. Every role we found had significant downsides. Lower pay, lower title, RTO, or various other things.

It was clear they wanted us to take a different role we could quit later. My management wanted to retain the headcount, but couldn’t do layoffs.

October 16th I asked my VP for the severance I was told would be available. He let me know HR wasn’t aware of what he was doing and he would have to get approval. It would take some time.

Every week for the next 2 1/2 months I asked for an update on my employment and severance package. I was either ghosted or given a variety of excuses. It’s now December 30th and I’m currently still employed by Amazon.

It hasn’t only been happening to my team. This has been happening in multiple areas as Amazon silently sacks people without being required to give them severance or announce layoffs. I’ve heard similar tactics being used at other companies–mostly large companies–and it’ll only continue in 2024 as they make decisions that drive short term profits over all else.

[–] dojan@lemmy.world 88 points 10 months ago (13 children)

Ugh. Seeing shit like this makes me question what the point of life even is. I don't want to partake in this bullshit. Sure I can basically boycott Amazon (unless you count AWS which half the web runs on - can't do shit about that), and it's easy to do so here in Sweden since they're particularly garbage and don't really offer anything of value.

But Amazon was never the problem. The system is broken. Amazon is just one symptom, and there's loads of companies out there operating at different levels but doing basically the same bullshit.

[–] SnotFlickerman@lemmy.blahaj.zone 67 points 10 months ago* (last edited 10 months ago) (9 children)

Exploitation has never changed.

This isn't very different from the downsizing of the 90's, every time we go through this song and dance they find new ways to screw us, because often we've legally fought for the previous ways to be denied. They'll do anything to pay the least. They don't actually care about remote or in-office at all based on this comment over at hackernews:

They've also begun heavily pivoting hiring for dev roles to India now as well. I have cousins who attended no name universities in India getting SWE roles in Amazon - something that was unimaginable 5 years ago - and expanding Dev offices to lower CoL cities like Hyderabad while slowly pivoting away from Bangalore.

Addendum:

Also, the Indian branches (edit: of companies that aren't Amazon) are fairly remote work friendly. Now you have people earning $20-40k/yr living in their ancestral towns and villages where median incomes might be $3-5k

This is why I warned HN that remote first will make tech more competitive.

They're happy to replace US workers with cheaper workers from other countries, they don't care that they work remote.

Anyway, I don't disagree, it makes me want to give up and I believe the system is broken, and it's been broken since before I was born.

If these people could still own other people as slaves: They would.

I'm of the position that if we allow companies to be international, then they have to pay every employee worldwide at the same payscale just so they fucking stop doing shit like this! If a US worker is worth $100K for a position, don't pay an Indian worker $20k-$40k for the same fucking work! They have the same value, they're not worth different things because they're in a different fucking geographic location!

[–] HobbitFoot@thelemmy.club 23 points 10 months ago (1 children)

If a US worker is worth $100K for a position, don't pay an Indian worker $20k-$40k for the same fucking work! They have the same value, they're not worth different things because they're in a different fucking geographic location!

So that just means they are going to pay US workers $20k-$40k and be ok if there are few US workers.

[–] fadingembers@lemmy.blahaj.zone 6 points 10 months ago

Such is the plight of the nursing and education industries

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