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[–] dingus@lemmy.ml 17 points 1 year ago (32 children)

Socialists don't hate markets, they hate workers not having any power or democratic choice in how they interact in the market.

Workers owning the means of production just means the workers are doing the same work but they are in ownership of the factory and the profits. They will still sell the products they produce in a marketplace.

[–] hglman@lemmy.ml 2 points 1 year ago (10 children)

I, a socialist, hate markets. They are simplistic and functional artifacts of the available way to pass information.

[–] galloog1@lemmy.world 0 points 1 year ago (4 children)

Cool, what is your preferred replacement and does everyone in this thread agree? You have managed to continue criticism but not offer a replacement yet again.

[–] hglman@lemmy.ml -1 points 1 year ago (1 children)

The ole can have criticism without perfect solutions response. Cool, how useless and pointless of you.

[–] agamemnonymous@sh.itjust.works 2 points 1 year ago (1 children)

I'm confused, isn't criticism without alternatives itself useless and pointless?

[–] bloodfart@lemmy.ml -1 points 1 year ago (1 children)

No, it broadens and deepens understanding.

Alternatives come from that understanding. Criticism is the fundamental step towards alternatives.

[–] agamemnonymous@sh.itjust.works 2 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

No, it broadens and deepens understanding

How exactly do you come to that conclusion?

Edit: "Thing bad" doesn't broaden or deepen anything. "Thing has specific shortcomings which aren't present in specific alternative to thing" is a useful criticism. Criticism without alternatives is just called complaining.

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