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[–] JohnDClay@sh.itjust.works 14 points 5 months ago* (last edited 5 months ago) (9 children)

Some numbers I found for reference to compare.

More info on WWII

WWII deaths breakdown Sorry that's unreadable in dark mode, I can't find that one without a transparent background. https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/World_War_II_casualties

WWII deaths white background

Millions of people died in China during the Great Leap, with estimates ranging from 15 to 55 million, making the Great Chinese Famine the largest or second-largest famine in human history

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Great_Leap_Forward

conservative estimates, Stalin was responsible for the deaths of at least 7 million people, or about 4.2% of USSRs total population.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Excess_mortality_in_the_Soviet_Union_under_Joseph_Stalin#Modern_estimates

Wars death toll https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_wars_by_death_toll

[–] yogthos@lemmy.ml 7 points 5 months ago (1 children)

Millions of people died in China during the Great Leap, with estimates ranging from 15 to 55 million, making the Great Chinese Famine the largest or second-largest famine in human history

Meanwhile in the real world https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/25495509/

Inability to consider context must be a quintessentially American mental characteristic.

conservative estimates, Stalin was responsible for the deaths of at least 7 million people, or about 4.2% of USSRs total population.

https://journals.sagepub.com/doi/pdf/10.1177/1478210316676002

Meanwhile, American settlers massacred so many native inhabitants that it cooled down the climate https://www.bbc.com/news/science-environment-47063973

Then of course, capitalism also brought us such wonders as the African slave trade.

And then we have all the atrocities US regime has been committing around the globe, killing countless millions in the name of capitalism

https://www.theatlantic.com/international/archive/2017/10/the-indonesia-documents-and-the-us-agenda/543534/

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Jakarta_Method

https://gsp.yale.edu/sites/default/files/walrus_cambodiabombing_oct06.pdf

This is what happens when people get all their education from wikipedia instead of having any actual understanding of the subject.

[–] deranger@sh.itjust.works 6 points 5 months ago* (last edited 5 months ago) (2 children)

All those sources you posted don’t refute what you quoted from the other comment. Seems like a “not as bad as” logical fallacy at play. The other poster didn’t say the US was without fault; even though the US has killed many people doesn’t make the actions of those other regimes any less bad.

[–] yogthos@lemmy.ml 6 points 5 months ago (1 children)

The sources I posted are meant to provide context. And what they show is that when you consider what things were like before, communism actually improved lives in a tangible way. While bad things certainly have happened in communist societies, as they do in every human society, overall trajectory is positive. Meanwhile, the atrocities committed in the name of capitalism, and by US in particular, eclipse anything that has happened under communism. US is a blight upon humanity and has brutally repressed progress in every corner of the world.

[–] Doom@ttrpg.network 2 points 5 months ago

His sources are always bad

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