that's not what your meme is about. Your meme is utilizing Palestinian deaths to make some tankie point about China great because West bad. Which is deeply disrespectful to the 35,000.

[+] culprit@lemmy.ml -8 points 5 months ago (2 children)

Calling out how the West wants to call one thing a genocide that is clearly not, while also saying something is definitely not a genocide when it clearly is, that's called pointing out hypocrisy.

The world can see it. That's why there is so much green on the 2nd map.

[–] DAMunzy@lemmy.dbzer0.com 18 points 5 months ago (2 children)

What is happening to the Uyghurs is considered a genocide because China is moving in Han Chinese into the region, suppressing the religion, political indoctrination, forced sterilization, forced contraception, and forced abortion. No, they are not being bombed but they are being wiped out a different way.

[–] davel@lemmy.ml 0 points 5 months ago* (last edited 5 months ago) (1 children)

That is what we are told by our government & think tanks & corporate media. It’s a load of doo-doo.

The US tried to foment division in China by funding and organizing terrorist cells in Xinjiang, and once those efforts failed, it concocted and promoted a genocide narrative. Antony Blinken is still pushing this slop, just last month.

The Xinjiang Genocide Allegations Are Unjustified
The Uyghur Human Rights Project is a product of the National Endowment for Democracy, which is the American government’s main regime change NGO.
Uyghur genocide allegations
American Debunks All Major Western Propaganda on Uyghurs and Xinjiang
US-Funded Uyghur Activists Train as Soldiers of Empire
A Reddit AMA Claiming To Be A Uyghur Quickly Exposes A CIA Asset Slandering China

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The blueprint of regime change operations

We see here for example the evolution of public opinion in regards to China. In 2019, the ‘Uyghur genocide’ was broken by the media (Buzzfeed, of all outlets). In this story, we saw the machine I described up until now move in real time. Suddenly, newspapers, TV, websites were all flooded with stories about the ‘genocide’, all day, every day. People whom we’d never heard of before were brought in as experts — Adrian Zenz, to name just one; a man who does not even speak a word of Chinese.

Organizations were suddenly becoming very active and important. The World Uyghur Congress, a very serious-sounding NGO, is actually an NED Front operating out of Germany […]. From their official website, they declare themselves to be the sole legitimate representative of all Uyghurs — presumably not having asked Uyghurs in Xinjiang what they thought about that.

The WUC also has ties to the Grey Wolves, a fascist paramilitary group in Turkey, through the father of their founder, Isa Yusuf Alptekin.

Documents came out from NGOs to further legitimize the media reporting. This is how a report from the very professional-sounding China Human Rights Defenders (CHRD) came to exist. They claimed ‘up to 1.3 million’ Uyghurs were imprisoned in camps. What they didn’t say was how they got this number: they interviewed a total of 10 people from rural Xinjiang and asked them to estimate how many people might have been taken away. They then extrapolated the guesstimates they got and arrived at the 1.3 million figure.

Sanctions were enacted against China — Xinjiang cotton for example had trouble finding buyers after Western companies were pressured into boycotting it. Instead of helping fight against the purported genocide, this act actually made life more difficult for the people of Xinjiang who depend on this trade for their livelihood (as we all do depend on our skills to make a livelihood).

Any attempt China made to defend itself was met with more suspicion. They invited a UN delegation which was blocked by the US. The delegation eventually made it there, but three years later. The Arab League also visited Xinjiang and actually commended China on their policies — aimed at reducing terrorism through education and social integration, not through bombing like we tend to do in the West.

As part of China’s affirmative action policies, the Uyghurs and other ethic minorities were excepted from the One-Child policy, and in Xinjiang they have grown in numbers relative to Hans as a result, and this happened similarly with other ethnic minorities in China.

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[–] culprit@lemmy.ml -4 points 5 months ago* (last edited 5 months ago) (1 children)

Are you Adrian Zenz or just a 'state dept leftist'?

[–] DAMunzy@lemmy.dbzer0.com 3 points 5 months ago* (last edited 5 months ago)

Not a fan of him because he's anti-communist but a critic of him still said China is running "internment camps in Xinjiang as part of the "preventive measures against extremism"".

Further info from Wikipedia:

Zenz's research is primarily based on publicly available documents and social media publications by Chinese authorities and local governments that originate directly from the Chinese state, and his research remains "scientifically tenable", even if it is "instrumentalised by the US government for its harsh anti-China policy".

Tenable means capable of being defended or maintained.

He doesn't sound like someone I would want to be around but that doesn't mean he is wrong.

[–] PotatoesFall@discuss.tchncs.de 3 points 5 months ago (1 children)

Okay fair point, there's definitely hypocrisy (although from my information there is definitely some ethnic cleansing going on in xinjiang). Got a different vibe from the meme initially though

[–] davel@lemmy.ml -2 points 5 months ago (1 children)

There is not ethnic cleansing going on, as I expounded on upthread.

[–] PotatoesFall@discuss.tchncs.de 2 points 5 months ago (1 children)

okay well Western media isn't talking about it. I exclusively hear about this on lemmy from folks simping for China.

Fuck all empires, fuck the US, fuck China, fuck Russia. All have shitty to broken democracies and way too much centralized power.

What's the point of constantly defending China? If it was just a one time thing that's fine, but it happens nonstop around these parts.

No need to simp for China to be a communist

[–] davel@lemmy.ml -1 points 5 months ago* (last edited 5 months ago) (1 children)

Of course Western media aren’t talking about it: it’s their job not to. They’re the ones pushing the “Uyghur genocide” narrative in the first place. Western media are the media of the capitalist class of the imperial core. The cold war(s)[1][2] and red scare(s)[1][2][3][4] never ended.

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Your understanding of China is received wisdom from the imperial core’s governments, think tanks, and corporate media, so your criticisms of it are not reality-based. It’s fine to criticize anything & anyone—China included—but you must not talk nonsense.

Also, all this “simping” framing is tiresome. Historical materialists don’t subscribe to great man theory. We’re not known for simping, liberals are.

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