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Fear Mongering About Range Anxiety Has To Stop — CT Governor Calls Out EV Opponents::Several state governors are fighting fear mongering as they attempt to reduce transportation emissions in their states.

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[–] puppy@lemmy.world 12 points 11 months ago (4 children)

You got your current car for 11k but expext an EV to cost you 6k. Why is that? Shouldn't you expect the EV to also cost in the same range as 11k to make it a fair comparison?

In terms of battery replacement, have you calculated after how many miles the battery replacement becomes "free" because of gas savings? This changes for everyone based on their electricity prices and whether they have solar.

[–] Shdwdrgn@mander.xyz -5 points 11 months ago* (last edited 11 months ago) (3 children)

Because I got the current SUV from a dealership with all the attached mark-ups and fees, at a time when similar models were selling used for about half that cost. However because I had the money available I was willing to splurge on getting exactly the one I was looking for. Also, an EV is not an SUV, and certainly not 4WD with the stronger frame to support off-road use, so it shouldn't cost as much. I actually bought my wife's car, a 2006 Murano with 4WD, for $6000 from a dealership, so even that has more capability and probably more cargo space that a typical EV. My baseline is how much vehicle I can get for that price range.

[Edit] Sorry... as far as "free" is concerned, well that never really happens, does it? Yes I could get solar installed on my house, but that costs as much as the car and wouldn't likely get paid off before the car itself fell apart or was hopelessly obsolete. Since COVID I only have to drive in to the office two days a week now, so I'd be lucky if I even put 3500 miles a year on my SUV now, which is around $750/year in gas. A conservative estimate on solar installation is around $15,000 which means I would have to drive the EV and be completely powered by my own solar charger for 20 years to pay off the solar panels, and in that amount of time the solar panels themselves would likely fail from age or hail and need to be replaced (although hopefully the technology would have improved by then). Also note that because of the dense trees in my neighborhood, I'm not even confident I have enough of my roof in direct sunlight to power the house itself. Yeah it's something I've looked in to, and while I could save a lot of money by building the solar installation myself, I'm still not sure I could get enough power even if I cover every inch of roof that sees Summer sunlight for more than a couple hours. Free 'gas' just isn't going to happen unless I cut down my own trees, and convince several neighbors to also cut down theirs.

[–] puppy@lemmy.world 1 points 11 months ago (2 children)

You have not considered some aspects. You have concluded that solar is only used for charging the EV and that it doesn't power your house. Realistically nobody does that. Your solar beakeven should be converted to calculate how much time it takes to save 15k from both your electricity bill + gas savings. Then the whole equation becomes,

battery replacement cost + solar cost = (annual electricity bill + fuel cost) * x number of years

Only then can you know if the breakeven period is a save or a loss.

Ignoring solar, what's the breakeven like when you charge the vehicle from grid? (With night time prices if you have such a tarrif/discount)

[–] Shdwdrgn@mander.xyz 1 points 10 months ago

And to answer your last question... I can't find any info on whether the city offers discount for at-home charging, but they do provide several level 2 chargers around the city at a rate of $1/hour, which seems fairly reasonable? Hard to say as I have no idea how long an EV take to recharge or how far you can drive on a 1-hour charge so I don't have enough info to make a reasonable comparison there.

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