Lemmitors: You don't understand! I'm not voting for Slightly More Rotting Corpse, I'm voting for the Slightly More Rotting Corpse administration. Yes it's true that both of them support nuclear warfare along the Mexican border, but Rotting Corpse would be dropping more nukes with higher frequency on the climate refugees so we have to vote for the lesser evil.

[–] Seasoned_Greetings@lemm.ee 6 points 4 months ago (1 children)

When the American populace as a whole is brainwashed into believing the only choices are red and blue, you have to accept that whining about it and voting green (or not voting) is going to accomplish nothing.

So make your colorful allegory and feel good about yourself on the internet. In the end, you are accomplishing less than the people you look down on who recognize the shitty reality of our situation.

[–] ssj2marx@lemmy.ml 8 points 4 months ago (2 children)

If choosing red or blue doesn't work, and choosing another option also doesn't work, then what good does feeling self righteous about your decision to pick one over the other do? Unless you're suggesting that the shitty reality of our situation is that we're fucked and nothing will work at all no matter what - which is a level of defeatism that I don't think is very helpful either.

[–] Charapaso@lemmy.world 3 points 4 months ago (1 children)

Voting for the slightly less shit option makes it easier for the things we do in parallel to have a positive impact: direct action doesn't get slowed down much by voting once a year or so.

[–] ssj2marx@lemmy.ml 6 points 4 months ago (1 children)

I won't deny that people can do multiple things at once, I just don't agree with the premise that voting matters in the current paradigm.

[–] Charapaso@lemmy.world 1 points 4 months ago

I don't think it does much, but any tiny contribution to the fight against climate change is a good for the world, as is any slowing of the erosion of civil rights domestically, gutting of what remains of medicare/medicaid, etc.

I also know a GOP administration will be worse in terms of fighting against leftist movements in the streets, if only slightly. They're definitely worse re: labor movements overall, again: even if only marginally.

So I'm not going to claim it's a panacea, or even someone that will have notable effects, but I do think it matters at the margins, so the effort required is usually worth it, IMHO

[–] Seasoned_Greetings@lemm.ee 3 points 4 months ago

Being self righteous about doing nothing is worse.

Despite your own brand of defeatism in insisting the outcome is the same no matter what, one side actually is better. Even if the metric of "better" pales on the grand scheme of what we deserve or should be doing.

I'm not trying to project self-righteousness by recognizing that there are only two real choices. I'm asserting that advocating non-action or pointless action is such a tired trope that what you're doing is circlejerking for dopamine instead of applying what little influence you have as an individual to work toward the avoiding the actual worst outcome.

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