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Out of curiosity I went to exploding-heads.com and it looks like it's not working anymore. Is there a new place they hang out now? Are they undercover on the regular servers or something? It'd be a little surprising to me if they all just gave up on being active on the Fediverse.

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[–] mo_ztt@lemmy.world 18 points 11 months ago (9 children)

If the most powerful government on earth contacts the largest and most powerful companies on earth in order to categorically suppress or delete certain viewpoints or certain speakers, then by definition that is “‘the establishment’ censoring you”. The fact that you agree with the censorship doesn’t make it not censorship, and framing it in a moralistic way doesn’t make it not censorship. Being moralistic didn’t make it not censorship when the right was doing it.

Ruud is categorically suppressing or deleting certain viewpoints or speakers? Or some other Lemmy admin is doing so? Can you give an example?

Exploding-heads as I understand it was facing DDOS attacks near the end (or at least they thought it was), that’s one of the things that prompted the admin to shut it down, it wasn’t worth the effort to try to keep the site up and running under such an onslaught.

I definitely don't agree with doing this, to whatever extent it was actually happening. Are you saying it was the US government or some powerful company doing that? Can you point me (or send me in a DM or something) some of the truths that they were trying to discuss that were being censored or silenced so I can look into them for myself?

Anyway, I don’t know why I’d even try. You know what? You win. Everything is fine

This is a perfect example of what I was talking about in my earlier comment, about framing disagreement as an "attack." No one is attacking you, and you don't need to start feeling downtrodden if it seems like what they're saying is making some sense.

Honestly, I don't have the slightest bit of any kind of personal ill will to you, and I doubt the other people here do either. I'm gonna tell you if I think you're wrong, but it's not like that's a quest to make you feel bad or look bad or anything. It's just how I see it, and I explain it in detail hoping that it might make sense to some people and they might get some value from it.

[–] Spzi@lemm.ee -1 points 10 months ago (2 children)

Ruud is categorically suppressing or deleting certain viewpoints or speakers? Or some other Lemmy admin is doing so? Can you give an example?

It's fairly easy to get banned on lemmygrad for having a (perceived) liberal attitude, to name the obvious example.

[–] mo_ztt@lemmy.world 3 points 10 months ago* (last edited 10 months ago) (1 children)

I argued pretty extensively with tankies on lemmygrad at one point; they were convinced I was a western liberal and told me so. I never got banned. They got sick of the conversation and the questions I was asking, and abandoned it long before I was ready to quit.

Not saying you're wrong; I could believe that lemmygrad specifically is actually intolerant of dissent, in the way sj_zero claims that all of Lemmy is. I'm just saying that my one experience with them was that they never censored me.

[–] Spzi@lemm.ee 1 points 10 months ago

Yeah, I guess both can be true. Maybe you have a better approach.

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