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Being a noob and all I was wondering whats the real benefit of having a monolithic lets say proxmox instance with router, DNS, VPN but also home asssistant and NAS functionalitiy all in one server? I always thought dedicated devices are simpler to maintain or replace and some services are also more critical than others I guess?

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[–] jlh@lemmy.jlh.name 6 points 5 months ago* (last edited 5 months ago) (6 children)

I'm well aware.

I was #8 on this list: https://web.archive.org/web/20240221094039/unraid.net/about

The way that Unraid manages Docker containers is really dumb, and it gets in your way SO MUCH. Orphans are not a normal Docker idea, it is something invented by Unraid. It actively makes managing containers harder, as there is no documented way to restore orphans if I recall correctly. Creating new containers is confusing and uses non-standard terminology, when docker-compose files have been standard for half a decade now. Unraid is a really bad container orchestrator with bad abstractions and no ability to do Infrastructure as Code. The only good thing is the GUI for monitoring containers.

The monitoring GUI is nice, and I guess if you're doing everything with the CLI and just using the GUI for monitoring it makes sense. But CLI is not a supported workflow with Unraid, and what are you paying $3/month for if you're just going to use the CLI? I personally wouldn't recommend the overhead, setup, and upgrade headaches over just doing the CLI with Debian. There are just as nice free dashboards available for Kubernetes.

For what it's worth, this is my homelab: https://codeberg.org/jlh/h5b

I run nearly 300 containers in a 4 node cluster, with a separate router and iot server. Every single piece is implemented in code, because that's easier to maintain and document. I used Proxmox for VMs/LXC for a while, and I used FreeNAS for ZFS+NFS for a while, but now I use purely NixOS and Kubernetes. I have never seen Unraid as a valuable thing that I would like to add to my homelab in the past 8 years.

[–] shnizmuffin@lemmy.inbutts.lol 3 points 5 months ago* (last edited 5 months ago) (3 children)

Orphans are just dangling objects, are they not?

I'm only using the Unraid Docker GUI to send me utilization alerts and notify me when my images are egregiously out of date. I saw someone trying to author a compose file using the GUI once and I closed the window before the headache started.

I'm not paying $3/mo. Where'd you get that idea? I think I paid $20 for a license like 6 years ago.

I picked Unraid because I had a bunch of disparate HDDs sitting around and their filesystem intrigued me. (0 data loss after 3 drive failures so far.)

[–] jlh@lemmy.jlh.name 1 points 5 months ago* (last edited 5 months ago) (2 children)

Fair enough. I think it's bad to invent new words for "stopped container", though. And there should be a way to re-start them.

Yeah, the container creation GUI is a mess. The $3/month thing is a new thing they started for new customers this year. https://unraid.net/pricing

Not a big deal for grandfathered users, but I think its important to consider as a new customer, as you won't even get security updates without paying the subscription fee. Even for vulnerabilities like the CVE-2024-21626 Leaky Vessels vulnerability.

The raid is nice, but it can be kinda clunky adding/removing drives sometimes and I've managed to accidentally destroy an array when I was playing with it. I think you can get identical features using LVM, but obviously it's nice how Unraid does it all for you in a GUI.

[–] shnizmuffin@lemmy.inbutts.lol 3 points 5 months ago

I think it's bad to invent new words for "stopped container"

You're not wrong!

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