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[–] Cowbee@lemmy.ml -2 points 4 months ago (9 children)
[–] lugal@sopuli.xyz 8 points 4 months ago* (last edited 4 months ago) (8 children)

I'm talking about bolshevik parties and their bureaucracy becoming the new capitalist or ruling class as Bakunin told Marx would happen

[–] Cowbee@lemmy.ml 3 points 4 months ago* (last edited 4 months ago) (7 children)

Why do democratically elected government officials constitute a "class?" How would Socialism be Capitalism?

Bakunin himself was incredibly antisemetic, and considered the State itself to be a Jewish Conspiracy, so I'm not sure we should trust the background of his arguments.

[–] lugal@sopuli.xyz -1 points 4 months ago (1 children)

The soviets were democratic but the bolsheviks smashed the soviets as soon as they realized they wouldn't infiltrate them and stayed a Soviet Union in name only. Why wouldn't they keep the soviets as a decision making body if the were interested in a democratic government?

[–] Cowbee@lemmy.ml 2 points 4 months ago

No, the Bolsheviks did not smash the soviets. The Factory Committees were replaced with the Union system, because the Factory Committees were acting in their own interests irrespective of the needs of the whole. The Union system added the interconnected element to the Soviet Planning system. The Soviet system retained until the collapse of the USSR.

The wikipedia article on Soviet Democracy makes this clear, the Soviets were the main operating organ of the USSR throughout its lifetime. If you believe the Soviets to be democratic, then you believe the USSR to be democratic, or misunderstood the history of the Soviets within the USSR. This is on top of you referencing a wild anti-semite who considered the state itself to be a Jewish conspiracy as reasoning for complete anarchism alone.

I think you need to hit the books for a bit and come back later. Blackshirts and Reds goes over what did work, and what did not work in the USSR. There were definitely issues with it, but it was democratic.

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