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[–] DarkThoughts@fedia.io 2 points 4 months ago (16 children)

My playtime for WF is in the 4 digits and I was at a fairly high rank at the time, but thanks for the attempt to dismiss my points. Yes, being able to directly buy equipment is the very definition of pay to win. And yes, the game is several layers of FOMO, regardless of your denial. One being artifacts / vaulting, which is a way to keep you log in and grind specific garbage missions. If you don't, or if you're plain unlucky, you miss your chance for many months (unless you pay of course). Another are the various faction caps, which there are many, again to keep you logging in to grind it up. If you don't, you won't be able to keep up with the reputation that is needed to progress through various gear to progress through various content. This was all already bad enough, but the fucking cherry on top of that was adding their form of a FrEe battle pass, as if that's somehow a good thing. Yes, now the game dictates even more what you have to do (and where), instead of letting you do what you want to do. Because if you don't, you won't progress through the tedious, grindy and completely brain dead battle pass journey, missing all the rewards. "BuT DaRkThOuGhTs, ThOsE ReWaRdS cAn Be EaRnEd EvEn In LaTeR sEaSoNs!" No. Just no. You're just adding more chores to the already way too long list of completely pointless and dumb chores. That's not making it better, it's making it even worse, because you're just increasing the list of shit you can't get. Luring people in artificially like this, by triggering their FOMO, are predatory dark patterns. If you want me to keep coming back to play your game, then just provide a fucking enjoyable experience. All those things do exactly the opposite of that, and thus I quit.

[–] kbin_space_program@kbin.run 4 points 4 months ago (3 children)

Also 4 digits playtime here, but that is irrelevant.

You're not wrong, but you are confusing dark patterns with p2w. Sadly they all do dark patterns now. Even Deep Rock Galactic is loaded with them.

[–] DarkThoughts@fedia.io 1 points 4 months ago (2 children)

I'm not confusing the two at all. https://www.howtogeek.com/771884/what-is-a-pay-to-win-game/

Sad to hear about Deep Rock Galactic. Never appealed to me with the cartoon graphics, but I always heard how it was such a good example of a model and how they'd add their seasonal rewards simply into the regular loot / rewards, making them easily accessible for those who missed it.

[–] kbin_space_program@kbin.run 3 points 4 months ago* (last edited 4 months ago) (1 children)

Its the same mechanic you describe above.

If you miss it in the free battlepass, it comes back later in a random chance per mission to get a single drop.

You're arguing in bad faith by praising DRG for using the exact same system Warframe uses.

[–] DarkThoughts@fedia.io -3 points 4 months ago

If you miss it in the free battlepass, it comes back later in a random chance per mission to get a single drop.

No? In WF you can only get them through Nightwave, you are not getting them through regular gameplay. You have to explicitly do Nightwave, whether you want to or not. Otherwise you'll not get the rewards and they'll pile up more and more the longer you are not doing it.

You're arguing in bad faith by praising DRG for using the exact same system Warframe uses.

You're projecting. But thanks for outing yourself already, that saves us both time.

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