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How bad is Ubuntu? (sh.itjust.works)

submitted 3 months ago* (last edited 3 months ago) by HumanPerson@sh.itjust.works to c/linux@lemmy.ml

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I have been not recommending Ubuntu to people because of obvious reasons (the Amazon search integration and snaps, mainly). The reason I am posting this is because someone I know mentioned that they are considering Ubuntu. They have a degree in cs and generally are competent with computers, but didn't like mint when they tried it. I would like to know a few things, since I haven't looked into Ubuntu in a while:

Has anything changed about snap? I know people didn't like it at first, especially the proprietary server, but I don't think they will care about that and I mainly just want to know if it will eat all their RAM or something.

Have they made any changes in their management that may make sure there won't be another Amazon search thing?

Is it best to use the default desktop on Ubuntu? I would recommend Kubuntu to them, all else being equal, but don't know if maybe the default one is better integrated.

Edit: The person will be 100's of miles away so helping them with issues will be hard, and Ubuntu LTS should be stable. Plus, basically everything that "supports" linux but doesn't really usually supports Ubuntu. I do really see where they're coming from, but want to know if it has a major potential to backfire on them and if they might be better off with Fedora.

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[–] Ephera@lemmy.ml 21 points 3 months ago (3 children)

Personal main-complaint about Snaps is that they ship Firefox by default with it and some things in it are just broken:

"Save Image As..." in the right-click menu would just fail to open the file dialog and therefore do nothing.
It doesn't use ~/Downloads/ for downloads, but rather some complex folder underneath ~/snap/. You can get to that folder from Firefox's download list, I believe, but navigating there via file manager is tricky.

Thankfully, Mozilla now offers a DEB repo: https://support.mozilla.org/en-US/kb/install-firefox-linux#w_install-firefox-deb-package-for-debian-based-distributions

As for Kubuntu, it's far from the greatest showing of KDE. They frequently have oddball KDE versions, e.g. not quite shipping the KDE LTS version in Ubuntu LTS, because releases didn't line up, but also just in general weird instabilities and crashes which don't happen on my openSUSE laptop (my workplace issues Ubuntu laptops).

Having said that, we gave some of our Linux newbie colleagues GNOME and they always seem to struggle more with it than the colleagues with KDE, because usability in GNOME is just whack.
Things like not being able to type a file path into the file manager (unless you know the magic shortcut Ctrl+L), or the file-open dialog highlighting the name field, but when you type into it, it starts searching files instead.
But also just the whole thing not behaving like Windows. I'll be the last to praise Windows' usability, but it is what many people know.

[–] Montagge@lemmy.zip 0 points 3 months ago (2 children)

my snap Firefox can save images as and downloads to ~/Downloads

[–] Ephera@lemmy.ml 2 points 3 months ago (1 children)

Hmm, alright. It is still on Ubuntu 22.04 LTS, so maybe some fixes to the runtime allow that on newer Ubuntu versions.

[–] ture@lemmy.ml 2 points 3 months ago

Even back then Save As... was working for me and I never bothered replacing the Firefox snap with the .deb version. Probably some weird configuration on your machine, since I set up quite a bunch of machines with plain Ubuntu 22.04 LTS and never got complaints about this.