I don't want some nutjob with too much time stalking me because I upvoted something about climate change or downvoted some bigoted shit. We all know those fuckos are out there

Voting on Reddit-like platforms is soft moderation by a community, and if you disincentive that, the whole model kinda falls apart IMO

[–] mozz@mbin.grits.dev 126 points 3 months ago (63 children)

Your votes are already public. It’s a matter of (a) do we want to make it slightly easier for the people who aren’t technically inclined to see them too (b) do we want people acting with the awareness that they’re public.

(a) doesn’t have a clear answer to me. The answer to (b), though, is clearly yes.

[–] rimu@piefed.social 150 points 3 months ago (53 children)

Your votes are already public.

People say this all the time, but it's not really the case.

I don't think privacy is a binary thing that one either has or does not - there are degrees of privacy. Currently what we have is mostly private, requiring either technical skill or admin access to circumvent. This is a pretty high bar which 99% of people would not be able to reach. You're proposing removing the bar entirely because it is not high enough.

[–] kux@lemm.ee 3 points 3 months ago* (last edited 3 months ago) (2 children)

piefed is already extremely redditty maintaining behind-the-scenes 'karma' and 'attitude' for users whether they signed up for it or not. why shouldn't this info be public instead of in the hands of admins only?

https://join.piefed.social/2024/06/22/piefed-features-for-growing-healthy-communities/

[–] can@sh.itjust.works 4 points 3 months ago* (last edited 3 months ago) (1 children)

Oof, I'd rather just stick to Lemmy and let people see my votes rather than deal with karma.

[–] kux@lemm.ee 1 points 3 months ago* (last edited 3 months ago) (1 children)

that's kind of the point, other instances are already aggregating and rating your votes given and received, why shouldn't lemmy show this to you?

[–] can@sh.itjust.works 3 points 3 months ago

I liked it being relatively obfuscated. Even though I rarely downvote. But the ones I do are the ones I'd like to avoid. Tbh I'm more ambivalent compared to my thoughts on karma.

[–] sramder@lemmy.world 3 points 3 months ago (1 children)

People who downvote more than upvote tend to be the ones who get in fights a lot and say snarky, inflammatory and negative things.

Summed up my whole sense of humor in half a throwaway sentence ;-)

Seriously though, interesting read, thank you kux… you can really feel the author’s frustration and yet I can’t help but feel that they are interested in a certain kind of idealistic online community. Reddit but with a really restrictive HOA where everyone has the exact same color mailbox.

[–] kux@lemm.ee 2 points 3 months ago* (last edited 3 months ago) (1 children)

the author almost certainly has more experience in managing online communities than me (i have none) but it seems counterintuitive to see a dumb take, downvote and bother to leave an argumentative reply rather than just downvote and scroll past. downvotes in this case would defuse potential arguments rather than start them, but i'll defer to the author and assume that's not what happens

[–] sramder@lemmy.world 2 points 3 months ago

That was my take on it too. The vague sense that you’re just going to end up with nothing but circle-jerks if you implement all these suggestions. I could also just be whooshing an attempt a levity, something obvious to a seasoned community moderator.

Hopefully my shitty attempts at socratic method rate a bit better then trolling, but I often doubt it :-)

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