Removing legitimacy from the system itself, and forcing the DNC to appeal to the left if they wish to gain more votes, rather than allow them to get away with genocide.

[–] dwemthy@lemdro.id 2 points 1 month ago (7 children)

The same DNC that blamed the left for Hillary losing and then credited centrism with Biden winning?

Those are fine goals, but pragmatism involves addressing reality as it is, not how you would like it to be. I doubt you can achieve both removing legitimacy from the system as you see it and forcing the DNC to speak to the left simultaneously since the DNC is a part of the system that's in place. Unfortunately the DNC appealing to the left needs to be a two way street, make the left more appealing to the DNC than the right. All those Republicans endorsing Harris is the right appealing to the DNC, the left needs to out do that effort to pull the DNC to the left. Rejecting them won't do that, only the opposite.

[–] Cowbee@lemmy.ml -1 points 1 month ago (6 children)

The same DNC that blamed the left for Hillary losing and then credited centrism with Biden winning?

Yes. They can continue to blame, but they will continue to lose.

Those are fine goals, but pragmatism involves addressing reality as it is, not how you would like it to be. I doubt you can achieve both removing legitimacy from the system as you see it and forcing the DNC to speak to the left simultaneously since the DNC is a part of the system that's in place. Unfortunately the DNC appealing to the left needs to be a two way street, make the left more appealing to the DNC than the right. All those Republicans endorsing Harris is the right appealing to the DNC, the left needs to out do that effort to pull the DNC to the left. Rejecting them won't do that, only the opposite.

This is peak liberalism, lmao. The DNC is pulling right because of their donors, if they think they can win without the left then that is their miscalculation.

[–] dwemthy@lemdro.id 2 points 1 month ago (1 children)

Lol, yes. There are metaphorical carrots pulling the DNC to the right, I think we agree there. Now if you want to be "pragmatic" about it will a metaphorical stick from the left move them more left, or more right given the way we can see they calculate?

[–] Cowbee@lemmy.ml -1 points 1 month ago (1 children)

It's a carrot, not a stick, but either way electoralism won't save anyone.

[–] dwemthy@lemdro.id 2 points 1 month ago (1 children)

Says the guy advocating poorly applied electoralism

[–] Cowbee@lemmy.ml 0 points 1 month ago (1 children)

Not once have I said voting will do any real good.

[–] dwemthy@lemdro.id 2 points 1 month ago (1 children)

Not in those words

I'm voting both pragmatically and with my conscience by voting for Claudia De La Crúz.

With the goal of

Removing legitimacy from the system itself, and forcing the DNC to appeal to the left

Is that not good? Or is it not real?

Or maybe it won't have that effect? Because that's an idealistic plan, not a pragmatic one

[–] Cowbee@lemmy.ml -1 points 1 month ago

It's a minor effect, equivalent to signal boosting a good message. My single vote isn't going to do jack shit in the grand scheme of things, organizing will.

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